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Old 12-12-2012, 05:52 PM
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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Add to that - underneath...they are essentially the same vehicle...the only thing that is performance oriented about the 2012 GC SRT8 is the price...

They need a way to get more power out of their drivetrains and get rid of the weight - or Jeep will soon be but a dot in the overweight, underperforming, and way overpriced for what you get mirror.

When Land Rover starts to focus on shedding weight to the tune of 800lbs out of the Rangie line-up...other sport ute manufacturers should take notice. The redesigned Ranger Rover comes in at around 0-60 in 4.5 seconds.

They(Lnd Rover) don't even tought performance or a racing heritage...but when you sing it from the tallest mountain tops as SRT does over and over and over - you need to deliver.

Wake up Ralph.
You're talking 80K+ for a new RR Sport minimum. The big Rover is the one with the new aluminum chassis so far that has posted the redesign. No way the big boy does 0-60 in 4.5 even with an 800lb loss. A new one of those RR's loaded will be in the 120K range.

Not really apple to apples comparison here
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:56 PM
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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Per the article:

"The 2012 ML550 we tested had a base price of $58,465 ........The Dynamic Handling bundle was packed in, too, bringing active cruise control, adaptive damping with Comfort and Sport modes, air suspension (which lowers ride height at freeway speeds and can raise it three inches for off-pavement operation), Active Curve Control (with hydraulic actuators to reduce body roll during cornering), and 20-inch AMG-styled wheels ($5150). "


So for ~$65k you would have performance equal to the tested vehicle, and to a ~$61k SRT8 .


If acceleration parity is your only performance goal then the price is pretty much equal.
You're not adding everything. what about the hitch, what about the HK audio. what about the lane and blind spot monitoring. You basically have to add everything but the off road package to equal the options on the SRT.





Get it straight cause you are not getting close to equaling the options.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:11 PM
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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Im quite certain you still pay taxes on a WK2 SRT8.

The point is that from a performance standpoint, you can get roughly equal (or better per the MPH) performance for roughly equal the price while getting a vehicle from a premium brand with all that entails (and better MPG).

Sure it may have fewer options but the base ML550 is no stripper.
Yes you do pay taxes on an SRT8! But with taxes you come out below 70k fully optioned on the Jeep. The ML550 built on Mercedes website with the same options as I have on the SRT came in at 69k and change and that is before taxes.

A few MPH in the 1/4 mile is not worth 5 - 10k out of my pocket for a pig ugly SUV, IMHO.

Oh and did I mention that the ML550 is twin turboed and still isn't as fast as the SRT or as well rounded either!
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:24 PM
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

Keep trying to compare. The math just won't add up between the two when you compare the vehicles with the same equipment. At least $10k difference. Just because it says Mercedes on it does not make it a better vehicle either. You can't just use a 0-60 time. It vary's from location to location. There are Jeeps that have hit 4.2 stock. Mine did 4.5 with CAI and Borla axle back. For a few hundred dollars it will get better. If you don't like the WK2 fine, keep what you have. I can afford the Mercedes, but wouldn't buy it. I like the looks of the Jeep better and it's still on the same platform as the Mercedes.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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You're talking 80K+ for a new RR Sport minimum. The big Rover is the one with the new aluminum chassis so far that has posted the redesign. No way the big boy does 0-60 in 4.5 even with an 800lb loss. A new one of those RR's loaded will be in the 120K range.

Not really apple to apples comparison here
The 2013 range rover supercharged full sized is doing 0-60 is 5.1. Don't know where the other poster got 4.5 from even the sport supercharged now does not do that or even near it...
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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The 2013 range rover supercharged full sized is doing 0-60 is 5.1. Don't know where the other poster got 4.5 from even the sport supercharged now does not do that or even near it...
The redesigned sport (not the current) will hit 0-60 in 4.5. They are also coming out with a performance version.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

I think the Srt8 is a good value it comes standard with heated and a/c seats, heated stearing wheel, rain sensing wipers, auto high beams, nav, back up camera, rear park assist remote start.. Awsome brembo brakes . Many of these features are extra on the perfomance suv's.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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The redesigned sport (not the current) will hit 0-60 in 4.5. They are also coming out with a performance version.


The 2013 Jag XKR with the same 510 horse engine does 0-60 in 4.6 and it comes in at 3968 lbs.

Your take on the new redesigned RR sport sounds "magical"

I cant wait to see what 90-150K of the most unreliable brand on the road will get you in their new line up
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IMHO It dosen't have a sexy look, the SRT dose. As far as weight goes I dont want the lightest vehicle on the road
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

You guys are seriously worse than the retards at bimmerpost. If it doesn't offend you that you can purchase an SUV from a PREMIUM manufacturer that will equal or better acceleration performance of the WK2 for the SAME price then I suppose you deserved to be bent over by Ralph.

I will gladly fork over my $65k next year if the 8 speed does what it should and I guess ill be seeing you all in my rear view.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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Keep trying to compare. The math just won't add up between the two when you compare the vehicles with the same equipment. At least $10k difference. Just because it says Mercedes on it does not make it a better vehicle either.
You absolutely can compare, you dont need to load the benz with features that arent even available on the SRT8 to match the performance - this is a performance oriented website isn't it? The base model ML550 includes almost every standard feature that the SRT8 does and will equal or better acceleration performance. Add the handling packages and you equal the handling performance for only what 7% more than an SRT8.

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You can't just use a 0-60 time.
I didn't just use a 0-60 time, I used 1/4 and most importantly MPH.

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It vary's from location to location. There are Jeeps that have hit 4.2 stock. Mine did 4.5 with CAI and Borla axle back.
The point of reference is a magazine test. Im certain the in cool air the benz will significantly better the magazine test (particularly as forced induction responds best to cold air). Magazine tests by the same magazine are about as apples to apples as you can get unless you are running vehicles on the same night at the same track.

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For a few hundred dollars it will get better. If you don't like the WK2 fine, keep what you have.
And what do you think a tune is going to do for a TT V8? A hell of a lot more than it will for the 6.4.

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I can afford the Mercedes, but wouldn't buy it.
I know, because its the same price as your vehicle.

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I like the looks of the Jeep better.
Me too, its shameful that that is really the only advantage aside from braking.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

It turns out that the 2013 ML550 is actually optioned differently than the tested 2012.

The agility suspension is now standard, probably removing the need to add any options packages to equal the handling performance. So basically equal performance in both handling and acceleration for slightly less $ (performance is what our interest is, in buying a performance SUV - right?). However, if you do want to option the suspension identically to the test vehicle then you can get the offroad on road package which adds air suspension and a two mode transfer case for $3.5k (two things not available on the SRT8).

Or you can take that $3.5k and instead purchase the premium package which gets you 80gb nav, back up cam, power steering wheel, power folding mirrors etc etc that you have all been screaming is missing from the ML (again, I thought this was a performance enthusiast website). So you get equal performance and equal options for $64k vs $61k. I would hope that the price advantage for basically identically optioned vehicles - one from a premium manufacturer with higher quality interior materials, better dealer exerpeince, and better gas mileage- would be a whole hell of a lot better than 5%.


The STANDARD features of the ML550 are found here by clicking show standard options (includes SUNROOF heated ventillated seats, rain sensitive wipers, park assist, 7" media screen, bluetooth blahblahblah:
http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicl...50#performance
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