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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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The 2013 Jag XKR with the same 510 horse engine does 0-60 in 4.6 and it comes in at 3968 lbs.

Your take on the new redesigned RR sport sounds "magical"
Isn't this a performance website? Are you familiar with what AWD and a modern transmission do for acceleration?
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:03 PM
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

Man you really need to do some more research on what is standard and what is not on these vehicles. Wow!!! An upgraded ECU for my CL63 is $3500. That's more than a couple of hundred dollars. You can't just hook up a trinity to a Mercedes. For the same equipment the Mercedes is more than $10k more, what part of that don't you get. Distronic, Park assist, Driver assist, Leather seats, Heated and cooled seats, Navigation, Bi-Xenon headlights and such are NOT included in the price of the Mercedes.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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You're not adding everything. what about the hitch,
REALLY? Isn't this a performance website?
Anyways, also an option on the WK2.

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what about the HK audio.
REALLY? Isn't this a performance website?
Also an option on the WK2

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what about the lane and blind spot monitoring.
REALLY? Isn't this a performance website?

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You basically have to add everything but the off road package to equal the options on the SRT.
Priority should be performance and as Ive pointed out you can equal or better acceleration and handling for the same or nearly the same price and get a vehicle that has other advantages from a premium manufacturer.


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Get it straight cause you are not getting close to equaling the options.
I guess I should get it straight that your concerns are elsewhere besides performance. Still, have another look at the standard features of the ML550:
ML550 4MATIC All-Wheel Drive SUV | Mercedes-Benz

The standard ML550 is a very nice and very nicely equipped vehicle.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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Man you really need to do some more research on what is standard and what is not on these vehicles. Wow!!! An upgraded ECU for my CL63 is $3500. That's more than a couple of hundred dollars. You can't just hook up a trinity to a Mercedes. For the same equipment the Mercedes is more than $10k more, what part of that don't you get. Distronic, Park assist, Driver assist, Leather seats, Heated and cooled seats, Navigation, Bi-Xenon headlights and such are NOT included in the price of the Mercedes.
Sure tuning is going to be more expensive but it will also be far more effective.

MHP got gains of 170hp and 300lb ft of torque from a tune on a new benz tt v8. Sure this tune is 3k but It would take perhaps 10k to get the same gains in the jeep assuming a supercharger was even available.

ModernHorsepower.com - 730HP & 873lb/ft SAE (v3 CDT, Tune Only), Gains of 169HP & 298lb/ft SAE Over Stock

And i implore you to look at the standard features of the ML. It may not be equal (again I thought we were concerned with performance here not ACd seats) but it is very far from a stripper model.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:21 PM
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

Well let's just use the Car and Driver test. Jeep 0-60 4.7, 13.4 1/4 mile, trap speed 104. Jeep faster 0-60, Same 1/4 mile, Slower trap speed. I can do a lot more to the Jeep for perfomance than the ML.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

I think I can help you out Dave. The reason so many people are getting mad at you is because you came on this website about a vehicle that most of us own and are "comparing" to the MB saying you should buy a MB instead of a Jeep. No one wants to hear that so go put it on a MB forum. We are all on this forum because we either like the Jeep or own it (minus P-Dawger he hates the Jeep too) so can you see why people might be upset? Not telling you what you can do or not do just letting you know why people might be upset, I myself don't care because I am very happy with mine, different strokes for different folks enjoy your ML 550.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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Isn't this a performance website?
Uhmm not really, but if it makes you feel better sure.

I have a suggestion.

Go buy the ML550, join mercedes forum, brag to everyone how awesome your BASE ML550 is, and how you saved so much money compared to the SRT.

We get your inaccurate points, already.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

i can afford both, but i chose the SRT cuz of looks and the value to the money.
i mean common the base ML has NOT much options
but come to look at the jeep almost everything is in it

a proper comparison would be to a FULLY loaded ML550 then we can talk money.

cant compare apples to oranges.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

Where was that ML made?
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

The ML is made in Alabama I think.

The previous generation ML550 wasn't any slouch either. Heck, even the GL550 is pretty friggin' quick.

There's a lot of great performance SUVs out there. The FX50S is also a wonderful SUV that is hugely quick. The X5 50i with it's turbo V8 is no slouch. Some people (a lot of people) will like those cars, they come with more brand cache than the Jeep does for sure. But none of them are the Jeep, none of them have that same sinister look, they don't have the fantastic seats, and they just don't have the attitude.

Different strokes for different folks. That's why they sell the 300C and the Charger. Some people want an in your face monster like the SRT8, others want something more subdued and regal.

I doubt very many people cross shop the ML550 with the SRT8 Jeep anyways. Maybe n Overland or Summit, but the ML550 is still not a full on sports SUV, it's just MB sticking in a V8 that happens to be very potent.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

This guy has obivoulsy never owned a Benz.. People call it a "premium" line, I would take any car in the world over a Benz especially the ML. My Dad had an SL63 for 1.5yrs spent more time in the shop than the garage. Absolute piece of crap. They are one of the most depreciating valued cars on the road, hell that SL63 was bought for 28k, is was 4 yrs old and had 15k miles, but 180k new!!!!
I cant argue on what options each on has, but I will tell you Id much rather have an SRT8 that has class, character and balls rather than an ML housewives drive, no pun intended to anyone who has one. The SRT8 Jeeps are a waaaay better buy because of them being highly desirable and will hold value. Also you are comparing 2 COMPLETELY different classes of appeal by comparing these 2 SUVS, the ML is a "luxury" SUV and the SRT8 is a sport, compare it to the X5M, or RR Sport, etc..
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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The 2013 Jag XKR with the same 510 horse engine does 0-60 in 4.6 and it comes in at 3968 lbs.

Your take on the new redesigned RR sport sounds "magical"

I cant wait to see what 90-150K of the most unreliable brand on the road will get you in their new line up
The new RR Sport is underpinned by the Jag XK chassis...hence the R-S designation that is coming...

"Magical", indeed.

Unrealiable? Maybe in your eyes...my Disco II has 218,000 trouble free miles on it.

I have owned 8 Jeep GC and the last gen SRT8...so to say the latest variant is dissapointing at the current price point would be a "magical" understatement. Everyone is all jazzed about an 8 speed tranny...please. That should have been included at product launch. Lets add 800 lbs and give them the same old 5 speed that we have been using for 15 years, give them 35 more HP and charge them 20k more...yeah that is the ticket. Wait, you forgot about the stick on fender flares...? Oh yeah oh yeah it needs LED DRL's too....damn ok lets stick those???....here???...look good? Ok good send it out. Should we at least upgrade the technology in the dash. No. We will trick them 2 years later with a larger screen...yeah.

There...right there...that is called brand loyalty.
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