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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

Off topic but love the 911^^!!
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

my grandmaw has an ML550.........
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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Isn't this a performance website? Are you familiar with what AWD and a modern transmission do for acceleration?

My point was if their sub 4K lb Performance Sports car cant turn a quicker time, why would you think it would be faster in a SUV? The CTSV has an old tranny, its two wheel drive and they are turning in the high 3's 0-60

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REALLY? Isn't this a performance website?
Anyways, also an option on the WK2.


REALLY? Isn't this a performance website?
Also an option on the WK2


REALLY? Isn't this a performance website?


Priority should be performance and as Ive pointed out you can equal or better acceleration and handling for the same or nearly the same price and get a vehicle that has other advantages from a premium manufacturer.

If performance is your priority, why not look at a car? The 550 wont handle as good as the SRT by a long shot. The SRT has faster slalom time than a Cayenne Turbo, much less any of the Benz SUVs.



I guess I should get it straight that your concerns are elsewhere besides performance. Still, have another look at the standard features of the ML550:
ML550 4MATIC All-Wheel Drive SUV | Mercedes-Benz

If all out performance was my bag, I wouldnt be gushing over any SUV. The 550 is a fine vehicle and if you like it better, go get one and leave us low lifes alone.

The standard ML550 is a very nice and very nicely equipped vehicle.





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The new RR Sport is underpinned by the Jag XK chassis...hence the R-S designation that is coming...

"Magical", indeed.

Unrealiable? Maybe in your eyes...my Disco II has 218,000 trouble free miles on it.

I have owned 8 Jeep GC and the last gen SRT8...so to say the latest variant is dissapointing at the current price point would be a "magical" understatement. Everyone is all jazzed about an 8 speed tranny...please. That should have been included at product launch. Lets add 800 lbs and give them the same old 5 speed that we have been using for 15 years, give them 35 more HP and charge them 20k more...yeah that is the ticket. Wait, you forgot about the stick on fender flares...? Oh yeah oh yeah it needs LED DRL's too....damn ok lets stick those???....here???...look good? Ok good send it out. Should we at least upgrade the technology in the dash. No. We will trick them 2 years later with a larger screen...yeah.

There...right there...that is called brand loyalty.
Dude, you're badly mistaken about the new Rovers. Front end issues, vibrations, electronic gremlins. If you're shattered by a flare coming off I will say please go get you a Rover.

Having said all this, Im thinking you and Dave have nothing better to do other than fling the poo here.

I will say this.....

I will bet both of you guys a $50 dollar paypal transfer that both of you dont buy either in the next 6 months and are still griping and complaining about the SRT's AND still driving the same buckets you are now....
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My point was if their sub 4K lb Performance Sports car cant turn a quicker time, why would you think it would be faster in a SUV? The CTSV has an old tranny, its two wheel drive and they are turning in the high 3's 0-60










Dude, you're badly mistaken about the new Rovers. Front end issues, vibrations, electronic gremlins. If you're shattered by a flare coming off I will say please go get you a Rover.

Having said all this, Im thinking you and Dave have nothing better to do other than fling the poo here.

I will say this.....

I will bet both of you guys a $50 dollar paypal transfer that both of you dont buy either in the next 6 months and are still griping and complaining about the SRT's AND still driving the same buckets you are now....
Ha...pretty funny. Everyone is so touchy here about their rides....maybe because...

You got duped. Buyers remorse...sux.

I will keep driving my buckets until Ralphie wakes up and puts a real motor and tranny in an extra large bowl of mashed taters...dubbed the Jeep SRT8.

It's a fact, it's slow...its average...and it's expensive. Cmon...admit it you want more power, it's ok...we are all friends here...

The first step is to get past the denial...then it is all downhill. Kinda like how the Jeep gets those sub 5 second 0-60 numbers
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

LOL....youre on a jeep forum! Of course members are gonna defend their rides! If we were bashing your LR's...and you liked them...would you defend them?

Like....consumer reports just reported that LR is LAST...dead LAST in cost of ownership over the last 5 years. Jeep is 3rd by the way with acura being #1.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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LOL....youre on a jeep forum! Of course members are gonna defend their rides! If we were bashing your LR's...and you liked them...would you defend them?

Like....consumer reports just reported that LR is LAST...dead LAST in cost of ownership over the last 5 years. Jeep is 3rd by the way with acura being #1.
Touche touche...all in fun. I have learned to be ride "agnostic"...

There is plenty to pick on with Land Rover...but they don't make rap songs about the Jeep?

For reliability here is my thread when my 06 SRT8 tranny with 20k on it decided to take a siesta:

2006 20k miles - Transmission KABOOM! - Page 2 - SRT8 Forums ...


To be fair other than that and a dead battery way too soon - it was trouble free and I beat it like a drum.

The service from the dealer is an issue though - sux.

Jeep needs to up the service game. I can roll into the Land Rover dealership in my tired 01 with 218k on the clock and roll out with a 2013 Jag XK as a loaner, along with a croissant and a latte. They will even deliver my truck to me when it has been serviced and pick up the loaner - if I choose. All for free, Now that is service and incidentally how you establish brand loyalty. No car is perfect and they all shit the bed major at least once...but with service they can make the memory of that go away.

But I digress. And I am just messing with you guys. I really am hoping deep down that we get more power.
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Off topic but love the 911^^!!
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Here is the complete build thread on Pelican if you are interested...

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LOL....I hear ya!

By the way...I bu all my vehicles based on what rappers decide to rap on! LOL
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

Of course you can add options to the ML and raise the price to $70k because MB offers more options than Jeep. If Jeep has the same options as the ML then sure you can build a Jeep up to $70k. Second, you can't compare the ML to the Jeep, yes the Jeep is fast and a nice car but the ML is not a full sporty SUV. Also, the ML has a better tranny, better engine, much better interior quality and trim. Jeep is still far behine everyone with their 5 speed tranny, very big engine with low hp/L. And for the performance, the ML with its twin turbo engine is veery fast, I saw one last week and i was amazed with how fast it is.

Anyway, if you want to compare the ML to the Jeep then you must take the ML63 because it is in the same league despite having higer price tag.
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Bob Lutz said the SRT was the best built vehicle in the US. Wards named the interior in its top 10....not the ML.
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Re: The new Sport SUV Value Leader: The ML550

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Well isn't this shameful:

The 2013 ML550 was just tested by C&D to a 13.4 @106, 0-60 in 4.9, .85g. Its starting price? $59,705 with destination. Looking at the benz site, that's hardly a stripper model and seems like it would atleast match the acceleration (perhaps the 19" wheels needed for the skidpad grip) that C&D got.
2012 Mercedes-Benz ML550 4MATIC Instrumented Test – Reviews – Car and Driver


For reference, the 2012 SRT8 GC was most recently tested by C&D to a 13.7 @ 103 (yes I know they are good for low 13s, much as the benz but it seems the benz has a MPH advantage), 0-60 in 5.0, and .87g. The 2013 SRT8 starts at $60,295.


Atleast the SRT brakes better and handles a touch better but the fact that a Benz equals the acceleration AND the price of the SRT pretty much invalidates the Jeep's price for performance/ segment value leader argument. The Benz of course has better gas mileage, snob appeal, dealer service etc.

I'd hope this would spurn pricing correction by Jeep but I think we know that's QUITE a stretch. Let's hope the 8 speed moves the Jeep into the 1/4 mile territory it should have been at release - 12.8s or better.

Good effort to the Daimler boys. WAKE UP JEEP. (I say this as someone likely to buy a '14 WK2 not as a WK1 fanboy)
uhhhhh....the Jeep was tested at 4.6 and 13.3 by many other reputable mags...motortrend etc. Also...many owners...including myself have gotten better times than that.
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uhhhhh....the Jeep was tested at 4.6 and 13.3 by many other reputable mags...motortrend etc. Also...many owners...including myself have gotten better times than that.
My Jeep with 1000 miles on it did 13.04 @ 105 at the track. 4.3 0-60 is best I've timed so far.
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