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Old 09-01-2011, 10:32 PM
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...call me a sucker or an optimist but i believe them on pricing. IMO, and i'm not in production, but you don't pay for parts you pay for engineering and design. for example, when you deal in large quantities engineering a new hood is spread out over a huge number of vehicles, small numbers= less vehicles to spread them over therefore a higher price.
So how do you explain pricing for the first generation which was right in line with the Overland and other SRT vehicles?

How do you explain pricing for the other 2012 SRT vehicles, they are produced in low volumes as well. And for the Jeep they are building 25% more 2012 models than they averaged for prior years.


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Send your 2012 GC Overland w/V8 to Hennessey and ask him to put a body kit, big breaks, lighter rims and bigger tires, new interior and 80 hp and see what you pay. thanks Scott for putting it together. i'm a little closer to placing my order.
You can't compare the costs of a extremely low-volume vastly overpriced Hennessey "upgrade" to that of a Grand Cherokee that's being built by the thousands.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:38 PM
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At least they had the "balls" to come out and talk to the community directly..
It didn't take any balls at all, they all but ignored the concerns of the Jeep community. It was just like all of the other chat sessions over the years. It was supposed to be a chat for the Jeep community to discuss the issues surrounding the new model. Instead, we were totally blown off, which means one thing - they don't care about us.
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:23 PM
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Re: Thoughts on chat

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They didn't address ANY of the 9 questions that were submitted to them by JG. The closest they came was about Canadian production quantities - of which they stated there would not be a limit.

They failed to comment on price protection for those who ordered early.

They totally skirted the issue on the price increase, pretty much blaming the increase on the new Brembo front brakes (the other "reasons" all applied to other SRT models that didn't get a huge increase). The first reply regarding pricing was "we are still 30 grand under are nearest real competitor."

Nothing about affiliate pricing.

Nothing about expanded color choices.

Nothing about production delays.

Very disappointing overall. The chat program was extremely slow. And you have to wonder what MORON programmer from "CoverItLive" was not smart enough to make the box to enter questions larger - it fit about one line of text and then had a scroll bar!! I can't believe how stupid software programmers, they all seem to lack common sense.
Completely agree. Really wanted to see them address the following two topics (although we will know the answer as soon as the first retail vehicles are delivered)

"They failed to comment on price protection for those who ordered early."
"Nothing about affiliate pricing"

Was very interested to see if they would commit to a timeline for shipments
Nothing about production delays.

I am glad that they held the session, some interesting comments but unfortunately they didn't answer the questions that are most important to me at this point in time.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:06 AM
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Re: Thoughts on chat

Ok, I just read the entire chat. I was a bit put off in the beginning by the SRT side of the house. Seems like there were quite a bit of smart ass remarks made to honest questions being asked. Towards the end, answers got more specific and to the point.

I still do not fully believe their explanations on the GC price hikes. We all understand that yes, some of the parts are going to be more expensive, but do they take us for idiots? They point out the FRONT brembo's are more expensive. Ok, we have all looked at the Brembo kits and one will cost you around $3K for a front kit. That is a retail price though, not actual cost to Chrysler. What else is there in the GC that isn't in the other SRT's? Why so much for the HK stereo? Other MFG offer the HK stereo and none of them are a $2K option...why now for the GC only?

I thought Ralph's comments on the wheels was funny. Seems he likes them, the SRT Engineers hate them. Who won that argument? Seems he should have gone with the Engineers opinion.

I am going to try and find more work overseas for another 2 years and see how this plays out.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:30 AM
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Re: Thoughts on chat

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Why so much for the HK stereo?
The HK stereo is included as Standard on the new Charger SRT8.


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They point out the FRONT brembo's are more expensive. Ok, we have all looked at the Brembo kits and one will cost you around $3K for a front kit. That is a retail price though, not actual cost to Chrysler.
And remember that you would just be looking at the difference in cost between 4-piston Brembo's and the 6-piston upgrade. At the factory level probably just a few hundred $$.


"The price went up on the Luxury Group which includes the leather IP and several other features which we were forced to make standard."

?? This doesn't make sense. The price went up (why??) and they were forced to make it standard (Why?). The price never increased for the Overland Advance Warning/Adaptive Cruise/Leather.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:42 AM
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Re: Thoughts on chat

"As we use more and more exotic componentry our prices naturally creep closer to our import competitors."

Again, the other SRT models are also using much of the same "componentry". Plus, the Charger and 300 both have the new 8.4" nav radio with premium features. And none of the other models have forced $7,000 option packages.

WHY are they comparing the prices to "import competitors" instead of comparing them to the other SRT models???

The price of the SRT WK2 didn't just "naturally creep closer", it made a GIANT leap!
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Re: Thoughts on chat

The pricing question is very simple. If they can sell the amout of SRT's they want at the price they are asking then the price is correct. The market sets the price for everything. If this was priced near an Overland than the demand would be near an Overland. They only are trying to sell around 3000 units which is nothing. The market will always decide if the price is too high. Based on what I see it doesn't look like they are going to have a problem meeting the target they have set. The price of any product has very little to do with what it costs to make, so talking about what it costs to make doesn't mean anything. Its what the market value is and this goes for anything from shoes to houses to cars.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:20 AM
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The price of any product has very little to do with what it costs to make, so talking about what it costs to make doesn't mean anything.
Regardless of supply and demand, there are still companies out there who will not take advantage of their customers when selling popular products.
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Re: Thoughts on chat

On a positive note, I have always been appreciative of the chat sessions that have taken place over the years. They have given us an awful lot of valuable information and insight into the development and operation of our vehicles. Along the way they have listened to the community and implemented some of our suggestions and ideas into SRT vehicles. I hope they continue for many years to come.

I have rarely if ever been critical of these sessions, but as I already mentioned I wish the recent one would have been dedicated to the Jeep. They should have opened with the price issue, discussed it briefly but thoroughly, allowed for a few more related replies/questions, and then moved on to discuss the endless other topic areas covering features, handling, performance etc. of the new Jeep as well as allowing discussion on the first gen models.

As it was, at one point they mentioned having almost 900 people logged in. Only a small number of participants got their questions answered. Had this been a Jeep-only discussion as originally intended/implied then it would have not been "over capacity". The chat program was extremely slow for whatever reasons, 10 engineers online and the text hardly moved. Only about 20 replies were posted the first half hour.

I think I like the message board based sessions much better, they are easier to follow and participate in, you see all the questions, larger screen area etc. I'll never understand why the people who design these chat screens have to make them so small. If nothing else at least offer the ability to enlarge the window up to full-screen size.
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:29 AM
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Regardless of supply and demand, there are still companies out there who will not take advantage of their customers when selling popular products.
So is the story of but a handful of companies.. at least that I know..

It sucks that it works out this way, but there is really nothing to do other than boycott and retract all orders for the JC SRT8.. which won't ever happen..



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I asked direct question about current weekly production volume - Not answered - Closest response was "Soon" - Even put it in the comments right below the Chat for all to see and it was still avoided

Overall, it was like listening to Politicians with no direct answers on the real issues around forced opton packages and availability timing
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Re: Thoughts on chat

I asked several questions about the Grand Cherokee SRT8 pricing which were all ignored. I asked my last question out of frustration because they were ignoring the pricing issue, and surprisingly, Ralph addressed it:

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So are you going to address the elephant in the room... the pricing of the Grand Cherokee SRT8?

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Ralph Gilles: Grand Cherokee pricing has been sensitive. We understand. This vehicle reflects the cost of some exotic hardware like active suspension, a sweet aluminum hood, real carbon parts and a set of very expensive monoblock 6 piston calipers. The reality is low volume is getting harder to do...the prices from our suppliers are higher than in the past. As we use more and more exotic componentry our prices naturally creep closer to our import competitors. That said we are still 30k-40k less then the BMW X5 and nearly 50k-70k less then the Porsche. The Grand SRT8 is currently being ordered fully optioned out by 80% of the dealers and first set of customerso far. It is already tough to build the SRT8 along side the normal Grand out of the plant. So we get hit with a lot of low volume management cost. The price went up on the Luxury Group which includes the leather IP and several other features which we were forced to make standard. We will look at decoupling some of the features in the future as the usual new product surge subsides. (We will start with immediately decoupling the DVD and sunroof)
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