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Old 09-02-2011, 01:41 PM
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I have a bit of insight to add...but I am dead tired at the moment. 3 hours sleep today, baseball game and this chat. Then I get a call from ole Ralph himself.........
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I gave up on the new Jeep SRT8 as soon as the price was released. I care more about my bank account than this vehicle.
+1 this is a common response amongst many existing and potential JGC SRT8 customers. Jeep is betting on incredibly loyal enthusiasts, new customers, and limited production.


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They answered my question about the comparo of the WK1 to the WK2.....
Maybe for you, but I can completely understand those who expected the 2012 SRT8 JGC to put down faster 1/4 miles out of the box, stock, as-is. Frankly, this should happen.


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I think the only questions that went through were the questions they replied to. I think they were read first and then posted them. It was fixed.
+1, not surprised really.


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...Thanks. But no thanks....This version is just a skipped progression on the WK. The 2012 should have stuck with The bigger motor tried to lighten the weight and keep the price increase modest. If it was a good bit faster like the 2010 chally vs the new 392 chally everyone for the most part would be complacent. Regardless of other expensive options. Then in 2013 add an option for all the extra options and increase that price to where it is now. Then in 2014 come out with the supercharged with upgraded everything for the $75k. The gradual price increase would have been easy to accept than the drastic jump we have now because there is an obvious progression in performance and options/upgrades.
Could not agree more. In fact, I am a prototypical new customer for this vehicle. I love the WK2 and it's my first American rig in 30 years. The SRT8 was so close I could taste it, but alas not now.


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Guys, guys, guys.......
I don't recall porsche offering a chat when I bought my $76K cayenne s....
why is everyone getting bent out of shape if they didn't get the answer they wanted to hear?
cryco is in to make a profit on these, is that a surprise to anyone?
at least they did offer a chat, unlike porsche bmw mercedes land rover audi etc.
Sorry, never needed, expected, or wanted a chat from Porsche, Audi, Benz, or Rover. Their vehicles are expensive, and generally, people think they are worth it in premium performance, quality of materials, and high service.


Note: No offense meant to those who will buy and enjoy this vehicle. Really, just having candid conversation, no hate whatsoever. I think SRT8 and/or Jeep just missed on a few areas here that have been covered extensively by JG and other sites.

FWIW, this just makes the WK1 SRT8 that much more legendary and appealing. Gilles said as much on the exhaust topic.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:07 PM
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I think this question has been asked 100 times on here:


This same thing holds true on WK1SRT8. It's not the one time or two times you need to tow something heavy.
The ratings used are there to protect from people who constantly tow and are abusive about it.
Nice to know you can tow 7500 lbs if you are smart about it. It's not a safety issue, its a wear and tear issue.

Funny part about the wheels:

I don't mind them, but cleaning them has got to be a pain in the balls. And the damn guys who designed the Jeep don't like the wheels...Then who the hell signed off on that? RALPH? IS THAT YOU?
Yet another reason to not buy now.
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Re: Thoughts on chat

Not all companies have the best quality, its alot about the premium your paying with Rover and such for the name, had a CLS500 in the family with LOTS of problems, along with other Mercedes, had a Rover in the family with lots of problems also. Neighbor had a Rover Supercharged that spend almost 6 months in the dealer because it had reoccuring problems. So there not that much more superior in alot of cases those vehicles are having more issues than Jeep and such.

When your out of warranty also on those vehicles your out of luck also, be prepared to pay thousands to replace parts or fix the vehicle, 10x more than what you will pay for a Jeep.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:29 PM
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cryco is in to make a profit on these, is that a surprise to anyone?
Not a surprise at all, it's the unexpected MASSIVE price increases that got everyone's "attention".

Many, many decades ago, when I was in high school, my father told me that I should study to become "a doctor, lawyer or airline pilot". Well that never happened... what I failed to realize is what he was really telling me was "son, if you want to be able to afford a yacht or a Jeep SRT8 vehicle when you are my age or older, you're going to have to pick one of those occupations".
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Re: Thoughts on chat

Thing is these "halo" vehicles are NOT supposed to make money. The thousands of GC models sold make the profit while the SRT is supposed to draw people in. Looks like things changed now since its a separate brand.
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Re: Thoughts on chat

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I asked right when the chat started when orders for Canada and US dealers would be filled? What is the delay in production (don't have to give specifics but give us something)? Why have we not seen any of the new WK2 SRT's at dealers yet when ordering opened 3 months ago? Any news on shipping to Canadian markets?

I even said in one of the question, I accept the price is the price and I'm willing to buy it here in Canada ( I ordered mine 3 months ago) but where is my truck? Can we get some sort of schedule please?.........no answer again lol

None of these were addressed...fml
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Re: Thoughts on chat

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So how do you explain pricing for the first generation which was right in line with the Overland and other SRT vehicles?

How do you explain pricing for the other 2012 SRT vehicles, they are produced in low volumes as well. And for the Jeep they are building 25% more 2012 models than they averaged for prior years.



You can't compare the costs of a extremely low-volume vastly overpriced Hennessey "upgrade" to that of a Grand Cherokee that's being built by the thousands.


My guess is that once these things start shipping there will be replacement parts available in the parts system. Those parts will have prices on them and some interested individual who has access to those could, in theory, put together a very telling portrait of whether the unique parts on the '12 JGC SRT/8 add up or not to the final pricing.

I'm also eager to see the residuals, guessing those will be available soon as well.
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IMO....I think ChryCo/SRT missed the pricing on these by about $5000. Instead of $60k...they should be around $55k. Thats just my opinion and the gen 1 owners Im sure will hate that and compare values. Well....IMO the wk2 SRT is a much better value. For example....last week I drove a 11000 mile 2009 Jeep SRT at my local dealer......the thing rattled, the fit and finish was bad(misaligned body parts) and the interior...my lord??!!!! And Im not trying to put the wk1 SRT down...as my Jeep does the same things. So I also drove a 27k mile wk2 Limited. It STILL felt NEW! No rattles, fit and finish was perfect...interior was night and day better. So IMO...chryCo missed the pricing point on these by about $5k.

I can also add this.....Ralph was not joking about the price of the SRT's hood. My company makes the aluminum for that hood and is a totally different alloy from the nonSRT wk2 hood. The SRt hood uses the Novelis Fusion technology(technonlogy that fuses two different alloys of cast aluminum into one sheet) and is probably 5x the cost on my companies end to manufacture. Its a high end process that is on the cutting edge of aluminum processes. We only have one Fusion casting pit in the company in Oswego, NY. So...no BS there.
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Re: Thoughts on chat

Since Chrysler seems to keep straying away more and more toward luxury and less toward performance, I think they should consider offering some stripped down models.

For example with the Mitsubishi Evo they made track models called the RS that weighed less and was stripped of all luxury options. Why not make a track version that costs 15k - 20k less and make everyone happy?
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Not a surprise at all, it's the unexpected MASSIVE price increases that got everyone's "attention".

Many, many decades ago, when I was in high school, my father told me that I should study to become "a doctor, lawyer or airline pilot". Well that never happened... what I failed to realize is what he was really telling me was "son, if you want to be able to afford a yacht or a Jeep SRT8 vehicle when you are my age or older, you're going to have to pick one of those occupations".
Maybe, if you had become one of those you but you wouldn't be revered as you are here!
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IMO....I think ChryCo/SRT missed the pricing on these by about $5000. Instead of $60k...they should be around $55k.
Scott, I would agree. This would represent a reasonable premium over the Overland Summit. I wouldn't expect a vehicle with this build quality and content to be priced in the $40's but $60k range is a stretch.

If they do sell most of the production units without pricing support, well from a manufacturers standpoint, goal accomplished. Perhaps this will draw in a new customer base that otherwise would've purchased a Euro model. Time will tell.

Not taken into consideration the cost, I would rather have a SRT8 model. However the sad reality of it costing (MSRP) $16k more than my Overland w/ Hemi, I'll pass.





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Since Chrysler seems to keep straying away more and more toward luxury and less toward performance, I think they should consider offering some stripped down models.

For example with the Mitsubishi Evo they made track models called the RS that weighed less and was stripped of all luxury options. Why not make a track version that costs 15k - 20k less and make everyone happy?
I would think it is due to overall customer expectations in a SUV w/ high-level of performance. While the JGC SRT8 could be used on a track, it is far from ideal vs. the Evo (or other track oriented vehicles). My guess is that a "stripper" JGC SRT8 would not sell.




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