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IMO....I think ChryCo/SRT missed the pricing on these by about $5000. Instead of $60k...they should be around $55k. Thats just my opinion and the gen 1 owners Im sure will hate that and compare values. Well....IMO the wk2 SRT is a much better value. For example....last week I drove a 11000 mile 2009 Jeep SRT at my local dealer......the thing rattled, the fit and finish was bad(misaligned body parts) and the interior...my lord??!!!! And Im not trying to put the wk1 SRT down...as my Jeep does the same things. So I also drove a 27k mile wk2 Limited. It STILL felt NEW! No rattles, fit and finish was perfect...interior was night and day better. So IMO...chryCo missed the pricing point on these by about $5k.

I can also add this.....Ralph was not joking about the price of the SRT's hood. My company makes the aluminum for that hood and is a totally different alloy from the nonSRT wk2 hood. The SRt hood uses the Novelis Fusion technology(technonlogy that fuses two different alloys of cast aluminum into one sheet) and is probably 5x the cost on my companies end to manufacture. Its a high end process that is on the cutting edge of aluminum processes. We only have one Fusion casting pit in the company in Oswego, NY. So...no BS there.
Scott. I agree that $55K was the right price point. Scratch the special Novelis Fusion hood for a black Ops Carbon Fiber and call it a day.

I had a Jeep Marketing moment driving my Jeep today.....
Fastest Snowmobile tow vehicle in the world for under $100K!
I've switched from trying to fight the price, but rather to fight my anger towards it so I keep on coming up with why it SHOULD be priced $65K.
What American High Performance Sports car that runs 0 - 60 in 4.6 seconds or faster, and 13.3 in the 1/4 mile or faster that you can tow your family and a boat/couple jetski's up to the lake in?

Hate to admit it but there's nothing out there to compare it to.





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Old 09-02-2011, 07:39 PM
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Re: Thoughts on chat

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I had a Jeep Marketing moment driving my Jeep today.....
Fastest Snowmobile tow vehicle in the world for under $100K!
I've switched from trying to fight the price, but rather to fight my anger towards it so I keep on coming up with why it SHOULD be priced $65K.
What American High Performance Sports car that runs 0 - 60 in 4.6 seconds or faster, and 13.3 in the 1/4 mile or faster that you can tow your family and a boat/couple jetski's up to the lake in?

Hate to admit it but there's nothing out there to compare it to.
There's is nothing available at that price range (or lower). The question is do you feel comfortable spending $65k on a Jeep. For the moment, I just can't get there. I would rather sacrifice performance and save a substantial amount of capital and go with an Overland.

An alternative is to pickup a 2-year old X5M or Cayenne. Let someone else take the depreciation hit.





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"We will look at decoupling some of the features in the future as the usual new product surge subsides. (We will start with immediately decoupling the DVD and sunroof)." - RG

Well I hope they have pre-warned the dealers - once word gets out that you no longer have to purchase the rear DVD system with the sunroof, customers will be lining up at the doors and phones will be ringing off the hook!
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Well I hope they have pre-warned the dealers - once word gets out that you no longer have to purchase the rear DVD system with the sunroof, customers will be lining up at the doors and phones will be ringing off the hook!

Plus the first 100 customer orders will receive a free Keurig coffee system....
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There's is nothing available at that price range (or lower). The question is do you feel comfortable spending $65k on a Jeep. For the moment, I just can't get there. I would rather sacrifice performance and save a substantial amount of capital and go with an Overland.

An alternative is to pickup a 2-year old X5M or Cayenne. Let someone else take the depreciation hit.

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You can't compare new vs used. I'm sorry, but it's used. And most likely it was not "used" the way I would want it used. I want to know every ding, paint chip or beat down session that ever happens to the vehicle.
I would never spend $65K on a Jeep at this point in time. If they upgrade the service, prove the initial build quality lasts and upgrade the Nav and tranny, then I will most likely invest in an SRT8.
However, I do think you will be driving in these Jeeps for around $55K - $57K in due time ...IE Buying at dealer invoice and then a $4,000 rebate from Chrysler.
I had gotten a $6,000 rebate on mine.. Sickening enought, $55K is alot easier to handle/justify than $65K, IMO

Just to put other cars into perspective:
The F-150 Lariat is $53K MSRP. A F-150 over $50K!!!
Mustangs GTs are at 48K I would expect to pay 17K more than a Mustang for something as fast, tows, hauls 3 car seats and gear and I can drive in the winter.
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I'm still new to the site I have to applaud milous, scottina for having such a great forum!!! Im 22 had two cars and joined two car forums and this will be my third car and third car forum to join and by far this is the best site! Everyone knows a lot about jeeps and are very helpful. But besides this I read the chat and I thought a lot of people kept asking questions about past year SRT-8s and even though I don't have a problem with it, every time those question are asked it takes that much time up from the two hours where another question about the 2012 srt-8s could've been asked. Just something to consider for the next chat. Thanks guys love jeep garage!!!!!
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You can't compare new vs used. I'm sorry, but it's used. And most likely it was not "used" the way I would want it used. I want to know every ding, paint chip or beat down session that ever happens to the vehicle.
I would never spend $65K on a Jeep at this point in time. If they upgrade the service, prove the initial build quality lasts and upgrade the Nav and tranny, then I will most likely invest in an SRT8.
However, I do think you will be driving in these Jeeps for around $55K - $57K in due time ...IE Buying at dealer invoice and then a $4,000 rebate from Chrysler.
I had gotten a $6,000 rebate on mine.. Sickening enought, $55K is alot easier to handle/justify than $65K, IMO

Just to put other cars into perspective:
The F-150 Lariat is $53K MSRP. A F-150 over $50K!!!
Mustangs GTs are at 48K I would expect to pay 17K more than a Mustang for something as fast, tows, hauls 3 car seats and gear and I can drive in the winter.

That's is the heart of the issue, spending $63-65k for a Jeep. Time will tell if Chryco is correct with their pricing strategy. For that we need to wait 6-8 months to see if the SRT8's are turning. I believe the initial orders will be from those wanting this type of vehicle regardless of cost. It is a valid point, what other vehicles offer this type of performance yet can be used as a all-weather family hauler and tow vehicle in this price range, none.

In terms of new vs. used, while I prefer new as well, buying a 2-year old vehicle is a better business decision. Simple fact of the largest depreciation of the first 2-years. Those who want a Porsche, it is simply a possible route to ownership. If the maintenance records are available and the overall condition is like new I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one.

I don't see how is it possible to spend $48k for a Mustang GT. The Boss edition is priced around $44k (before dealer availability fee). With limited production and a known market for muscle cars most of these are likely purchased by collectors. A GT vert has an MSRP around $38k. Inexpensive for a performance convertible. I don't know about pick-up trucks so I'll plead ignorance on the F150 but if it is over $50k someone must be buying them or perhaps custom orders only.

I can make a parallel to the current version BMW M3. The price went up significantly from the previous generation. A lot of people were upset to see such an increase despite the fact it offered better overall performance. Thus the amount sold vs. the previous generation has been less. An M3 vert with most options has an MSRP of $85k. While being a fan of BMW's, I wouldn't pay that amount, I just don't see the overall value. However I could easily make the case for the sedan version at $58-$65k. How many vehicles offer that level of performance but can be used as a family car. There are a few but not many.

As I have stated before, vote with your $$$. I don't see Chryco changing the pricing model to give us a $55k JGC SRT8 with most options. Let's see if rebates are offered to bridge the gap.




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In terms of new vs. used, while I prefer new as well, buying a 2-year old vehicle is a better business decision. Simple fact of the largest depreciation of the first 2-years. Those who want a Porsche, it is simply a possible route to ownership. If the maintenance records are available and the overall condition is like new I wouldn't hesitate to purchase one.
I bought my new 2010 in Nov. of 2009 for 41K. I was offered $35K 2 weeks ago.. Not much of a depreciation, but obviously I had an end of life vehicle that was heavily rebated to clear out.
I'm one of 252 Silver 2010 SRT8's made. Maybe that's why I won't lose much on depreciation.
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I don't see how is it possible to spend $48k for a Mustang GT. The Boss edition is priced around $44k (before dealer availability fee). With limited production and a known market for muscle cars most of these are likely purchased by collectors. A GT vert has an MSRP around $38k. Inexpensive for a performance convertible. I don't know about pick-up trucks so I'll plead ignorance on the F150 but if it is over $50k someone must be buying them or perhaps custom orders only.
Go to Ford.com and build yours out with all the options. The prices I put up were taken directly from the Build your own section. $48k for a mustang GT is real. I didn't even touch on the Boss or the GT500.
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I can make a parallel to the current version BMW M3. The price went up significantly from the previous generation. A lot of people were upset to see such an increase despite the fact it offered better overall performance. Thus the amount sold vs. the previous generation has been less. An M3 vert with most options has an MSRP of $85k. While being a fan of BMW's, I wouldn't pay that amount, I just don't see the overall value. However I could easily make the case for the sedan version at $58-$65k. How many vehicles offer that level of performance but can be used as a family car. There are a few but not many.

As I have stated before, vote with your $$$. I don't see Chryco changing the pricing model to give us a $55k JGC SRT8 with most options. Let's see if rebates are offered to bridge the gap.
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It's a tough pill to swallow regardless of brand. I'm sure the people who paid $10K over MSRP when the 2006 came out said there's no way there will be a $6,000 rebate on this limited production, one of a kind vehicle.
I'm voting by not buying and waiting for the rebates and upgrades. I'm very interested to see the Track version that was rumored to be coming. And with the Eaton Supercharger that is coming in the other 6.4's, it's only a matter of time, before that gets squeezed in the engine bay.
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Scott. I agree that $55K was the right price point. Scratch the special Novelis Fusion hood for a black Ops Carbon Fiber and call it a day.

I had a Jeep Marketing moment driving my Jeep today.....
Fastest Snowmobile tow vehicle in the world for under $100K!
I've switched from trying to fight the price, but rather to fight my anger towards it so I keep on coming up with why it SHOULD be priced $65K.
What American High Performance Sports car that runs 0 - 60 in 4.6 seconds or faster, and 13.3 in the 1/4 mile or faster that you can tow your family and a boat/couple jetski's up to the lake in?

Hate to admit it but there's nothing out there to compare it to.





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Been saying this for AGES! But NOBODY wants to hear it. The crazy jump in price combined with the mediocre performance gains has everyone PISSED OFF and RUNNING WILD! LOL

Personally Im still with you, although I'm a little ticked about the jump, I still see it as a great value and totally worth it. Nothing can compare to it at its price point, thats been a FACT for some time now
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Been saying this for AGES! But NOBODY wants to hear it. The crazy jump in price combined with the mediocre performance gains has everyone PISSED OFF and RUNNING WILD! LOL

Personally Im still with you, although I'm a little ticked about the jump, I still see it as a great value and totally worth it. Nothing can compare to it at its price point, thats been a FACT for some time now
I've always expected the Jeep to cost much more. Although I still think that Jeep over priced the truck by at least $5-6K. I'm still not in the boat of almost everything else and crying about the price. However, I question if JEEP can pull of this type of pricing. There are still a lot of people that remember how Chrysler products were. Those are years and years of failure that you just can't shake off with a "new and improved" model. Chrysler still does not have the following that both GM and Ford has that can justify a 60K price tag for an non-luxury car.

Then you have their warranty which is (IMO) one of the worst warranties in the business and their customer service at the dealership. No road side for an flat tire and no rental coverage if your Jeep is in the shop overnight. Those are items if you get if you buy their extended warranty but you can only get their 100K mile maxi care warranty since they do not offer a life time warranty on SRT models. You can get much better service and treatment from Lincoln or Cadillac dealership. I've yet to walk into a Jeep dealership that has a high volume of customers that my didn't rush me to the service waiting area because they were "busy". All of the high volume Lincoln and Cadillac dealerships that I've been to never treated me like that. Hell, my low volume Jeep dealer never offered what my Lincoln dealer offered me. When I had my Lincoln, they had car porters come out to my home in the morning to pick up my car just for a simple oil change and bring it back to me with no problem, which helped me a lot since due to my job I'm almost never up in time to take my cars into service. I ask my Jeep dealership and was told that they don't do that.

I wish the SRT all the best but don't think its going to last too long on the market. Its just going to become another Dodge Ram SRT10.
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