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Re: Track Tested Video: 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 vs 2011 Porsche Cayenne Turbo

I don't know that changing a driver is going to make it lose the 200+ lbs that it gained. They gave it another 22 MDS CIDs, but added another person's worth of weight, and as has been blah blahed for some time now, 2011 tuning has been encrypted, not like the previous years where they just reverse engineered the code for the cells, the whole shooting match has a 128 bit super padlock, so unless Chrysler gives out the goods, not much out there yet. That can always change, but its a different story from previous years.

Car and Driver got it right this month. "Brand New Heavy. 2.6 tons, slower than its predecessor, softer look and feel." 0-60 at 4.7 and 1/4 mile at 13.4 @104.
"Compared with the hunkered and ready 2010 SRT8, this edition appears to suffer from bloat. More massive proportions, tall sidewall rubber and a less distinctive face have soften the cleanly chisled Grand Cheorkee that had the chutzpah to run with $150,000 SUVs. ... Nor are we convinced that a smoother glide, a more luxurious interior, and a move up to the 5000 pound weight class are appropriate missions for this team. We prefer a more throwback interpretation of the sacred SRT hieroglyphic."

Personally, I think it looks great as an SUV, just very similar to the older X-5s and a little slower than the previous years' platform. You get comfort and upgrades for a little less speed. I don't feel the need to piss on it, but I don't feel the need to buy it, either. If you're someone who doesn't want to modify the vehicle, its a great buy. If you want to mod it and track it, etc. you're fighting 250 more lbs and an engine that you can't even put a CAI tune on, at least for the near future, with less promise for the foreseeable future because of encryption.

All that said, I bet they are a damn nice ride and an upgrade on feel and interior from the WK1.
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If you want to mod it and track it, etc. you're fighting 250 more lbs and an engine that you can't even put a CAI tune on, at least for the near future, with less promise for the foreseeable future because of encryptoon
Thank God you guys didn't think thus way in 2006 and 2007 before there was tuning.


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Re: Track Tested Video: 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 vs 2011 Porsche Cayenne Turbo

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none I have seen without a tune and cai.....that really doesnt mean anything though.
Well they did. On the red site.
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Re: Track Tested Video: 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 vs 2011 Porsche Cayenne Turbo

I was on cherokeesrt8 from 2006-2009 and I dont remember any...but like I said...that doesnt mean anything. I have seen many stock vids of 2006-2010's run 13.3-14.0
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Re: Track Tested Video: 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 vs 2011 Porsche Cayenne Turbo

Did any TESTER mags get the Mid 4 second runs on the Wk1 when it first came out? Weren't they all running pretty much what these numbers are laying down for the Wk2; I thought it wasn't until owners got their hands on these beasts and played around laying down 1/4 and 0-60 runs were they able to achieve 4.4 seconds and so on after much beating on it.
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Re: Track Tested Video: 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 vs 2011 Porsche Cayenne Turbo

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Did any TESTER mags get the Mid 4 second runs on the Wk1 when it first came out? Weren't they all running pretty much what these numbers are laying down for the Wk2; I thought it wasn't until owners got their hands on these beasts and played around laying down 1/4 and 0-60 runs were they able to achieve 4.4 seconds and so on after much beating on it.

automobile mag got 4.4. sure it was 2010 but nothing had changed.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews.../handling.html

car and driver got a 4.5 when it first came out
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...026283d5ad.pdf
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Re: Track Tested Video: 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 vs 2011 Porsche Cayenne Turbo

1/10 of a second???...boy that destroys the 2012 SRT8!!! LOL. One thing though.....the test from motortrend...the 2012 is faster in mph than the 2006-2010...but with the same time. I bet the 2012 is faster to 100 +
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automobile mag got 4.4. sure it was 2010 but nothing had changed.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews.../handling.html

car and driver got a 4.5 when it first came out
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...026283d5ad.pdf
That might be, but I can guarantee you that if you put the WK1 vs. WK2 on a full course track the WK2 will prevail......

Acceleration is only a fraction of the overall worthiness of a vehicle on the circuit......

When they compare sports cars they go to the Nurburgring (the Ring), why are we so stuck on 1/4 mile times?

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I was on cherokeesrt8 from 2006-2009 and I dont remember any...but like I said...that doesnt mean anything. I have seen many stock vids of 2006-2010's run 13.3-14.0
Ive been on there since August of 06.

How does that not mean anything? You will see plenty of WK2s running 13.3-14.0 as well. DA and heatsoak guarantee that


A very quick search brings up the following


mention of 12.8 (from resume speed) and a 12.7
http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=2525&

12.88 stock
http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/s...6&postcount=32

12.89 stock
http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/s...est+stock+srt8

mention of 12.89
http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/s...4&postcount=19
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That might be, but I can guarantee you that if you put the WK1 vs. WK2 on a full course track the WK2 will prevail......

Acceleration is only a fraction of the overall worthiness of a vehicle on the circuit......

When they compare sports cars they go to the Nurburgring (the Ring), why are we so stuck on 1/4 mile times?

Oh i certainly agree that the wk2 will destroy the wk1 on the track, i have never claimed otherwise.

However, it looks like the WK2 is no quicker in a straight line than the WK1. I argued at length that it would be be before it came out and Im very disappointing to see that it isn't.


1/4 mile times are important for a DD. You will have many more opportunities to enjoy straight line acceleration day to day than you will handling prowess (and let us not forget that the WK1 is no handling slouch itself, stiffly sprung as it may be).
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1/10 of a second???...boy that destroys the 2012 SRT8!!! LOL. One thing though.....the test from motortrend...the 2012 is faster in mph than the 2006-2010...but with the same time. I bet the 2012 is faster to 100 +
Who said anything about destroy?

That said lets not continue to blindly believe that the WK2 is still somehow quicker than the WK1. I wish that were the case, I was predicting 12.7s all along.

Im sure that in the wild the WK2 will pull some high 12s but so did the WK1.
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Re: Track Tested Video: 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 vs 2011 Porsche Cayenne Turbo

Dave-when I said "but that doesnt mean anything"...I just meant that I didnt read every thread or was evenly mildly interested in what the wk1 SRt was running because I didnt/dont own one....therefore I didnt really follow all the 1/4 mile racing threads closely at all. So...if you say it was running those times...I believe you....you now more about it than me.(and you posted some links) I also know for a fact the 2012 will run less than 13 stock as well. I have seen vids.
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