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Sir Bean 08-03-2010 12:53 AM

Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
Hello all. First timer here. Love the site. It is a god-send. Wish my dealers read all this. Am looking to get my first Jeep.

Anyway, getting to the point here. I want to order an Overland (4wd, Hemi, Trailer Tow IV) with QTII, Hill Decent Control, Select Terrain and keep the 20 inch wheels (hence want to stay away from the Off Road Adv Grp II). I know that you can now order Overland with the Quadra Lift Standard. My main question is since the Overland comes stock with the Quadra Trac II does that imply that Select Terrain and Hill Decent control is standard?

There's 3 reasons that are causing my confusion.

1. With the Overland, Hill Decent Control is part of the optional Quadra Drive II Pkg which makes me think the Hill Decent Control is not standard.

2. According to the brochure, it states "Quadra Trac II active 4wd includes 2 spd trnsfer case and Hill Decent Control (packaged with 5.7L V8 eng and Off Road Adv Group II)" implying you have to get the Off Road Adv Grp II.

3. And the last little tid bit that makes me unsure is the Off Road Adv II pkg for the overland is basically the skid plates, 18 inch wheels and spare, and the all important Trail Rated badge. This info now swings me back to thinking that the Hill Decent is standard or only available with the QD II Pkg.

Am I reading too much into this or what?

Since the Off Road Adv II pkg is so generic on the Overland, my hopes is basically get all the other packages, keep the 20's and maybe get some generic wheels and some aftermarket skid plates possibly down the line when I want to take it off road.

Thoughts, comments, and suggestion all welcome.

Milous 08-03-2010 02:42 AM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
1. With the Overland, Hill Decent Control is part of the optional Quadra Drive II Pkg which makes me think the Hill Decent Control is not standard.
Although it's listed under the QD-II package, Hill Descent Control is Standard on the Overland, there is no way to "not" get it. The same with Selec-Terrain.

2. According to the brochure, it states "Quadra Trac II active 4wd includes 2 spd trnsfer case and Hill Decent Control (packaged with 5.7L V8 eng and Off Road Adv Group II)" implying you have to get the Off Road Adv Grp II.
You do not have to get the Off-Road Adv Grp package to get Hill Descent Control.

3. And the last little tid bit that makes me unsure is the Off Road Adv II pkg for the overland is basically the skid plates, 18 inch wheels and spare, and the all important Trail Rated badge. This info now swings me back to thinking that the Hill Decent is standard or only available with the QD II Pkg.
As mentioned above, Hill Descent Control is Standard on the Overland for any and all configurations.

Aside from exterior colors and interior trim choices, there are only 6 options available on the Overland:

1. 5.7L Hemi
2. RER navigation radio
3. Off-Road Adventure Group II
4. Rear DVD Entertainment Center
5. Engine Block Heater
6. Trailer Tow Groups

Scottina06 08-03-2010 03:52 AM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
good info......I would give you more rep...but I gotta spread it around first....lOL

J13ntv 08-03-2010 06:32 AM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
And along with those 6 options a lot of times its only 5 I am finding out. As most all dealers I have talked to have said the HEMI includes the trailer tow group package, thus the package is 1995 not 1495. Most people who want a Hemi want to be able to tow generally speaking....

Jim Hef 08-03-2010 10:24 AM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
I actually want to get the OffRoad group for the engine/trans HD cooling, but could care less about the skid plate package. On my WJ, I removed that to save the weight since I wasn't concerned about the chance of damaging anything.

mangoe 08-03-2010 11:27 AM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
Those skid plate provide double function act as some sort of aerodynamics under the jeep for wind flow,having a flat surface under the jeep is a positive,and also protect under the jeep.

I was not aware of this until I saw this at the Lexus website on the Rx SUV,they design a flat surface under the vehicle,where they say there is less wind turbulence,its more aerodynamic and less drag,and it make the SUV more quiet.

Sir Bean 08-03-2010 12:30 PM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
Milous,
Thanks for the quick reply. After going through this forum, you are a great service. I love the way you answer questions. Clear, concise, and usually 99% of the time always good/positive news.

Since I am new to the Jeep community I have some more questions regarding the the Quadra Drive. QDII is full time 4wd, whereas QTII is 2wd with the Auto 4wd selection. Is there an option to switch to 2wd with QDII (thinking fuel economy and decreasing powertrain load/drag)?

As of the latest threads, the ELSD of the QDII is in the rear only on the 2011 GC. Is it safe to say that the from axle is open and the traction control is via the brakes like QTII?

Why change to a 230 mm axle w/ the ELSD? Is it to handle the stress with the torque control via the clutch in the diff and not at the brakes like the QTII?

And finally, I figure there is no change with the tranny with the reduction to the 3.09 axle ratio with the QDII Pkg, hence there will be a slight decrease in fuel economy on the road and better towing grunt.

I'm thinking, unless one is a hard core off-roader, the QDII pkg doesn't really offer much to the avg Joe.

Thanks in advance.

Technosavant 08-03-2010 12:43 PM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Bean (Post 246420)
Milous,
Thanks for the quick reply. After going through this forum, you are a great service. I love the way you answer questions. Clear, concise, and usually 99% of the time always good/positive news.

Since I am new to the Jeep community I have some more questions regarding the the Quadra Drive. QDII is full time 4wd, whereas QTII is 2wd with the Auto 4wd selection. Is there an option to switch to 2wd with QDII (thinking fuel economy and decreasing powertrain load/drag)?

As of the latest threads, the ELSD of the QDII is in the rear only on the 2011 GC. Is it safe to say that the from axle is open and the traction control is via the brakes like QTII?

Why change to a 230 mm axle w/ the ELSD? Is it to handle the stress with the torque control via the clutch in the diff and not at the brakes like the QTII?

And finally, I figure there is no change with the tranny with the reduction to the 3.09 axle ratio with the QDII Pkg, hence there will be a slight decrease in fuel economy on the road and better towing grunt.

I'm thinking, unless one is a hard core off-roader, the QDII pkg doesn't really offer much to the avg Joe.

Thanks in advance.

QTII is not part time 4 wheel drive. It cannot be locked into 2WD mode for fuel efficiency. With Selec-Terrain, you can vary the torque split front/rear somewhat (for example, "sport" mode sends most to the rear), but it isn't completely user adjustable. You do have a 4WD low gear range (QT1 doesn't), but you don't have the ELSD like QDII brings to the table.

And yeah, if you don't plan to do major off roading, there isn't much reason to go for QDII. It doesn't appear to actually have any drawbacks if you don't off road, but neither will it have any benefits.

Jim Hef 08-03-2010 01:43 PM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Bean (Post 246420)
...I'm thinking, unless one is a hard core off-roader, the QDII pkg doesn't really offer much to the avg Joe....

I have to disagree with Techno on this one. Depending upon where you live, limited slip can be a big positive, especially in icy or snow conditions. I've seen plenty of "supposed" 4wd Jeeps stuck in a ditch due to the power not being sent to the other wheel. I've had the occasion to drive through some very poor conditions on and offroad where my QD handled it nicely, and wouldn't consider buying a Grand without this feature. I'm somewhat concerned that the new QDII has only the rear LDS. As to mileage advantage of a selectable transfer case: it's sort of moot. Look at the mileage ratings for the 2wd and the 4wd versions, and you'll see only a 1 mpg advantage to the less capable system. Sort of a more slender pig, and amounts to about a Big Mac difference per month! ;)

Wondy 08-03-2010 06:17 PM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
I know there are a number of folks on here who placed orders for Overlands recently and are confused as to what equipment they'll actually show up with, so I figured I'd share my experience.

I placed an order on 7/2. I'd called Jeep's customer service line several times to check the status, but for whatever reason, as of last week, the VON still had not shown up in their system. Finally, today, they gave me the VIN and told me that it's in "gateline" status (i.e., just prior to build) with an estimated ship date of 8/17. (As an aside, they said the delay may have resulted from the fact they wait to get several orders with the same specs before they build a batch at once. Not sure what I had unique that may have held it up; the V8 was the only option I added - perhaps Dark Charcoal paint?)

Anyway, I asked them directly if they could confirm whether it would include the Quadra-Lift suspension, considering it wasn't available when I ordered, but has since become available. They said it would NOT include the Quadra-Lift. I noticed that Milous said recently that all Overlands built going forward would have it, and someone else was told that all of them ordered after June 2 would have it. Either that's not the case, or the customer service rep gave me incorrect information.

I had gotten my hopes up a little based on that info, but since I didn't anticipate having it in the first place and don't necessarily need it, it's not a huge deal. Still pretty excited that it's only a few weeks away.

J13ntv 08-03-2010 07:00 PM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
Im curious too, even though I ordered mine July 31st and dont anticipate it going into D until next week, I assume it will have the Quadra-Lift. I am not sure if its all orders after July 19th as I saw in the delay post?

J13ntv 08-03-2010 07:02 PM

Re: Overland QTII, Select Trac, & Quadra Lift confusion.
 
This is what I saw in the delays/shipment post;

Quadra-Lift System - NOW AVAILABLE FOR ORDERING (AS OF 7/19)

As well as farther down the list it said (July)


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