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JoeSchmoe007 10-21-2010 11:12 AM

Is bigger really better?
 
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This is about WK2 vs ZJ dimensions (yeah, I know, not what you thought - sorry for that)

I tried to post it as a spreadsheet but it didn't work, so posting it as a screenshot.

As you can see WK2 is 7-10% larger in all dimensions. 29% heavier (for V6).

However, it just doesn't translate to more interior space. As you can see the only real improvement is in Rear Hip/Leg space, the rest is pretty much the same.

Luggage space is 11% less, Max cargo is 14% less. Huh???

Where did all this extra space and weight go? Thicker walls?

dubwarren 10-21-2010 11:17 AM

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they added more welds, that can increase weight....maybe the higher quality materials added weight too.

just some thoughts off the top of my head as to why my current girl is fatter than my last girl. big girls need loving too, ya know.

SRTILL8 10-21-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dubwarren (Post 288417)
just some thoughts off the top of my head as to why my current girl is fatter than my last girl. big girls need loving too, ya know.

spilled coffee!

keyboard still good though:thumbsup:

Jim Hef 10-21-2010 11:25 AM

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I agree! The sudden weight gain of vehicles is certainly counterproductive to the sales gimmick of economy! 29% heavier for the same tasks? I would hope at this point that they were equal even with the added wheelbase and rear seat room. At that point, the switch to the V6 would equal added performance, and much better economy.

JoeSchmoe007 10-21-2010 11:29 AM

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Edited original post - weight numbers are for V6 both for WK2 and ZJ

bpmcgee 10-21-2010 11:34 AM

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Electronics adds a lot of weight too. TPMS, active headrests, side curtain airbags, motorized tilt/telescope wheel, all of it is weight. Doesn't seem like much, but there are a LOT of additional motors, sensors, and computers in this version.

And I understand there is considerably more weight in sound absorbing materials on the WK2 as well. Dynamat, for instance, is about .5lbs/sq. ft.

B

JoeSchmoe007 10-21-2010 11:34 AM

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The reason for this post is that I was thinking that WK2 is just a bit bloated. I felt that ZJ (that I owned for 10 years) was perfect size for me (I am 5'7"). If they could just fit all this new interior and engine in a smaller size/lighter weight car - wouldn't it be great for everyone?

Another line of thought: this is a 5 seater. Other cars in this size often have 7 seats. So this kind of works as disadvantage for some buyers (I personally don't need 7 seats). Considering Chrysler also has 7-seat Durango I think they should've made WK2 a bit smaller (same size as ZJ) - that would translate in lower weight, better gas mileage, acceleration and possibly price.

Bmwister 10-21-2010 12:11 PM

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I said this once before in another thread: the government is mandating stricter crash standards and rollover protection. In order to meet those standards and still have a usable vehicle (for towing, cargo, etc.) weight must be increased due to additional and thickened steel throughout. ALL manufacturers are dealing with the same thing. I would be more worried if it got lighter, all else being equal.

JoeSchmoe007 10-21-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmwister (Post 288435)
I said this once before in another thread: the government is mandating stricter crash standards and rollover protection. In order to meet those standards and still have a usable vehicle (for towing, cargo, etc.) weight must be increased due to additional and thickened steel throughout. ALL manufacturers are dealing with the same thing. I would be more worried if it got lighter, all else being equal.

I didn't think about it. So I guess it's not all a bad thing.

Blackwolf 10-21-2010 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe007 (Post 288425)
The reason for this post is that I was thinking that WK2 is just a bit bloated. I felt that ZJ (that I owned for 10 years) was perfect size for me (I am 5'7"). If they could just fit all this new interior and engine in a smaller size/lighter weight car - wouldn't it be great for everyone?

Another line of thought: this is a 5 seater. Other cars in this size often have 7 seats. So this kind of works as disadvantage for some buyers (I personally don't need 7 seats). Considering Chrysler also has 7-seat Durango I think they should've made WK2 a bit smaller (same size as ZJ) - that would translate in lower weight, better gas mileage, acceleration and possibly price.


I couldn't DISagree more. While I'm not asking for more weight for no reason, I'm 6'2" and coming from a 2006 WK and I see your numbers but I don't feel them in the cabin. I can feel the extra cabin space and wouldn't change a thing. If they had to use aluminum instead of carbon fiber to get me a heavier vehical that still came in under 40M, I'm fine with that. I realize it's all a matter of tradeoff's and to get this same luxury feel in a lighter vehical would increase the cost, maybe drastically (think Porsche or Landrover)

All that said I would take a few more gears.

JoeSchmoe007 10-21-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackwolf (Post 288445)
...I'm 6'2" and coming from a 2006 WK and I see your numbers but I don't feel them in the cabin. I can feel the extra cabin....

I am glad you feel it but numbers are numbers - you really don't have any extra interior space except rear seat.

I am coming from ZJ and noticed during the test drive that car "fits" about the same in the driver seat, which numbers confirm.

I am still baffled by decrease in luggage/cargo capacity.

Marlon_JB2 10-21-2010 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmwister (Post 288435)
I said this once before in another thread: the government is mandating stricter crash standards and rollover protection. In order to meet those standards and still have a usable vehicle (for towing, cargo, etc.) weight must be increased due to additional and thickened steel throughout. ALL manufacturers are dealing with the same thing. I would be more worried if it got lighter, all else being equal.

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Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe007 (Post 288450)
I am glad you feel it but numbers are numbers - you really don't have any extra interior space except rear seat.

I am coming from ZJ and noticed during the test drive that car "fits" about the same in the driver seat, which numbers confirm.

I am still baffled by decrease in luggage/cargo capacity.

While the majority of the answer to your question is also in the post above, also remember, the ZJ was rather square, the WK2.... isn't. It's round. That angular tailgate really kills cargo carrying capacity.


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