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Pats2011WK2 11-17-2010 08:51 PM

New brake pads?
 
On the main page i commented on how my brakes creak when I stop. The local dealer said it was normal (just a lazy answer) and another dealer told me that he hates all recent chrysler pads and always changes his out for ceramic pads on his personal cars. I called Detroit and they said that I can get the brake pads changed and they will pay for it. As far as I know there are no aftermarket pads out yet. I want to know of anyone's opinion on this. Should I wait for ceramic pads to come out (a local shop told me they would put on Napa Adaptive-one pads if they were out) or just get a new set of OEM's and hope they are better than mine are now?

nek121328 11-17-2010 10:10 PM

Re: New brake pads?
 
I believe the OE pads are ceramic as Wagner now lists the QC1455 front pads and they follow OE applications.

dwaleke 01-20-2011 11:06 AM

Re: New brake pads?
 
Can someone confirm whether or not the brake pads are a different design for 2011?

Some websites are listing the same pads for 2010 GC and 2011 GC.

If they are different does any other 2011 Chrysler vehicle share the same pad design?

mrpositraction 01-28-2011 12:35 PM

Re: New brake pads?
 
Both my new Jeep and my wifes Ford SHO do this, it is normal.

SvenskaJeepGuy 01-28-2011 01:26 PM

Re: New brake pads?
 
you will probably still have the squeak with ceramic pads as well

litespeedz 01-29-2011 09:05 PM

Re: New brake pads?
 
How many miles are on your car? What type of driving conditions do you go through everyday? What is your driving style?

I used to work for a company that was trying to develop ceramic brake rotors and additives for ceramic brake pads.

Be VERY careful about what pads you switch to, especially on a vehicle this heavy. I spent time with companies like Performance Friction, Wellman Friction Products, and even Brembo. I learned that automotive manufacturers spend at LEAST $1MM validating the braking systems on a new vehicle prior to a launch. This is because, on average, the most common complaint on a new car is noise or vibration in the braking system.

After seeing tons of braking test data on a dyno I am now very weary about putting aftermarket brake pads on any vehicle I am driving. They don't spend $1MM testing their formulation on EVERY car. Odds are they pick a common vehicle (like a Ford Taurus or a Chevy Impala). The driving dynamics vary not only from vehicle to vehicle but within trim levels of a car depending on drivetrain, suspension, and even wheel configurations. No one single brake formulation compensates for this.

Think about it this way, if you go to Napa and buy their Gold series pads, do you really think they could design it to work perfectly on a Ford Taurus AND a 4,800 lb. SUV? An aggressive formulation for a 2.5 ton SUV would cause a Ford Taurus to screech to a halt. Also, if you put new brake pads on your car you should really have the rotors re-surfaced so the new pads will bed in on a clean surface. Your existing setup has built up a film layer on your rotors and it would dramatically impact how your new pads break-in and wear.

Millions of people but average brake pads on their vehicles every year. And for most people that is fine. So ultimately, do what you think is best for your car. But after seeing test data of one brake pad formulation on multiple vehicles I was completely turned off from aftermarket brake pads. If this was a light vehicle, you probably would never know the difference. But on a vehicle that is this heavy, be careful.

I vote for sticking with the OE setup. Car and Driver and Motor Trend both liked the consistency of this brake pad in their tests. They noted stable, consistent performance over multiple hard stops. Just my two cents...

jp467 01-29-2011 11:59 PM

Re: New brake pads?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by litespeedz (Post 344234)
How many miles are on your car? What type of driving conditions do you go through everyday? What is your driving style?

I used to work for a company that was trying to develop ceramic brake rotors and additives for ceramic brake pads.

Be VERY careful about what pads you switch to, especially on a vehicle this heavy. I spent time with companies like Performance Friction, Wellman Friction Products, and even Brembo. I learned that automotive manufacturers spend at LEAST $1MM validating the braking systems on a new vehicle prior to a launch. This is because, on average, the most common complaint on a new car is noise or vibration in the braking system.


After seeing tons of braking test data on a dyno I am now very weary about putting aftermarket brake pads on any vehicle I am driving. They don't spend $1MM testing their formulation on EVERY car. Odds are they pick a common vehicle (like a Ford Taurus or a Chevy Impala). The driving dynamics vary not only from vehicle to vehicle but within trim levels of a car depending on drivetrain, suspension, and even wheel configurations. No one single brake formulation compensates for this.

Think about it this way, if you go to Napa and buy their Gold series pads, do you really think they could design it to work perfectly on a Ford Taurus AND a 4,800 lb. SUV? An aggressive formulation for a 2.5 ton SUV would cause a Ford Taurus to screech to a halt. Also, if you put new brake pads on your car you should really have the rotors re-surfaced so the new pads will bed in on a clean surface. Your existing setup has built up a film layer on your rotors and it would dramatically impact how your new pads break-in and wear.

Millions of people but average brake pads on their vehicles every year. And for most people that is fine. So ultimately, do what you think is best for your car. But after seeing test data of one brake pad formulation on multiple vehicles I was completely turned off from aftermarket brake pads. If this was a light vehicle, you probably would never know the difference. But on a vehicle that is this heavy, be careful.

I vote for sticking with the OE setup. Car and Driver and Motor Trend both liked the consistency of this brake pad in their tests. They noted stable, consistent performance over multiple hard stops. Just my two cents...

I agree with this. I have seen many times people thinking they are upgrading going with some aftermarket part, but they are really buying a lower quality part. The OEM parts go through a lot more testing with the vehicle and in a lot of cases are required to meet higher standards.


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