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iJeep 12-07-2010 06:22 PM

SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
When I took my Jeep to change the tires, the service guy told me that my Jeep does not have camber adjustment, so due to the fact that I have a set of SRT8 wheels and tires, the inner area of the front tires will wear faster. In fact all JGC 05 and maybe 06 only have one adjustment to the font suspension alignment. This is not the first time I heard or read about this. He then recommend a set of SPC 23410 Ball Joint to fix the problem. Here is what the product description says:

SPC 23410 Ball Joint OEM replacement.
"SPC 23410 adjustable ball joint was designed specifically for the new Jeep Grand Cherokee and Commander to provide camber changes for alignment and drivability issues. The SPC Performance offset ball joints are designed to replace the factory ball joint and provide for independent caster and/or camber adjustments."
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There're positive comments about this product on other forums.

Does anyone knows about it? Any input is greatly appreciate it. :)

robpp 12-07-2010 06:52 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
from dave on another forum:

Many of you have been following my ongoing saga about finding a solution to excessive negative camber when lowering the SRT8. The Eibach 5.23410K adjustable upper BJs (made by SPC) were a possible solution. However, they will make violent contact with the shock tower during extreme compression. NOT GOOD!!!

At the time I bought the BJs, they were not listed for the SRT8, just the other WKs. So I put them on anyway knowing I was in unexplored territory.

Now, I have found out that Eibach now lists this kit as a solution for lowered Jeeps using their Pro Kit springs!! I called them to complain about the problem. They stated that their testers never experienced this problem. They hinted that it could be because the BWoody springs I use have a lower spring rate. I at least got them to admit that this could not be a reasonable cause, especially since my bumpstops are unmodified stockers.

The solution they are offering me is a spacer for the bumpstop!! Oh, great!! Now all I have to do is ride my front bumpstops, which may or may not limit travel enough to prevent contact with the shock tower. In my mind, this is a half-azzed attempt to stand behind their product. If Eibach did not list this for the SRT8, I would not be incensed. I would chalk it up to attempting the untried, and failing. However, if you have supposedly done the R & D on this product, the least you can do is buy them back from me or de-list them for the SRT8.

So I repeat my warning: Think twice before using the Eibach 5.23410K camber kit if your Jeep is lowered.

Incidentally, Mandan007's Jeep has the same BWoody springs on and his Jeep rides LOWER than mine by almost an inch, so I know I don't have a freak or bad springs. If anything, the problem would be magnified greatly if Dan had these BJs on his rig.

There is a solution that looks like it is coming. Stay tuned and I'll post-up about this as details emerge....

robpp 12-07-2010 06:54 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
the solution is a new upper control arm made by jeepinbyal. i think one guy over on that sie natedog or someting got it to work great. IDK. but I do know its being tested.



OTHERS AHVE BROUGH THE INSTERUCTIONS FROM THE SERVICE MANUAL. that shows you do have that adjustments its in the bottom of the lower control arm. there is a slit that would provide a little adjustment but not enough,

iJeep 12-07-2010 07:07 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
Yes, I saw that Rob, but they lowered their Jeeps. I have SRT8 springs with WK Bilstein shocks, I don't think that the problem the they had applies to my application. I just want to get my Jeep wheels to aligned properly.. I think the SPC 23410 might be a good solution. Thanks man.

robpp 12-07-2010 07:16 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
no.

go find my post of all the pages from the manual. then find a GOOD alignment place. there is CAMBER. your guy is just too lazy to go find it.

then go find JIM 383 post about his set up. he has a STOCK srt8. sothat would be exactly the same as you.

and like dave said "those BallJoints suck ass'

robpp 12-07-2010 07:18 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
from my service manual: 2007.


CAMBER, CASTER AND TOE ADJUSTMENT
Camber and caster angle adjustments involve changing the position of the lower control arm with the slots in the frame brackets to move the lower control arm inwards or outwards for proper adjustment. This can be achieved by using a long pry bar with a curved tip and inserting the pry bar into the lower control arm frame brackets and prying inwards or outwards.

NOTE: Camber and caster adjustments must be made at the lower control arm. Do not use the upper control arm for Camber and Caster adjustments.

NOTE: When the lower control arm pivot bolts are loosened the lower control arm will normally go outwards automatically with the weight of the vehicle.



CASTER
Moving the rear position of the lower control arm at the frame in or out, will change the caster angle significantly and camber angle only slightly. To maintain the camber angle while adjusting caster, move the rear of the lower control arm in or out. Then move the front of the lower control arm slightly in the opposite direction.



CAMBER
Move both the front and rear of the lower control arm together in or out. This will change the camber angle significantly and caster angle slightly.

After adjustment is made tighten the lower control arm bolt & nuts to FRONT169 Nm (125 ft. lbs.) and the REAR 88 Nm (65 ft. lbs.).



TOE ADJUSTMENT




The wheel toe position adjustment is the final adjustment.


1. Start the engine and turn wheels both ways before straightening the wheels. Secure the steering wheel with the front wheels in the straight-ahead position.
2. Loosen the tie rod jam nuts (3).
NOTE: Each front wheel should be adjusted for one-half of the total toe position specification. This will ensure the steering wheel will be centered when the wheels are positioned straight-ahead.


3. Adjust the wheel toe position by turning the inner tie rod (4) as necessary.
4. Tighten the tie rod jam nut (3) to 75Nm (55 ft. lbs.).
5. Verify the specifications.
6. Turn off engine.

robpp 12-07-2010 07:19 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
here is why i say go find jim383 specs

this is about a STOCK SRT8 which you are coping????RIGHT

"Keep in mind our trucks are supposed to have a slight degree of negative camber - this is how we get so much wear on the inside edge of the tire's tread area. It's meant to help us in cornering."

iJeep 12-07-2010 07:24 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
Great, I'm gonna print your post comment and take to them. Thanks for your help Rob.

robpp 12-07-2010 07:33 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
there is a slot underneath. just tell them that is where the adjustment is.

good luck FABS.

iJeep 12-11-2010 08:21 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robpp (Post 313510)
from my service manual: 2007.


CAMBER, CASTER AND TOE ADJUSTMENT
Camber and caster angle adjustments involve changing the position of the lower control arm with the slots in the frame brackets to move the lower control arm inwards or outwards for proper adjustment. This can be achieved by using a long pry bar with a curved tip and inserting the pry bar into the lower control arm frame brackets and prying inwards or outwards.

NOTE: Camber and caster adjustments must be made at the lower control arm. Do not use the upper control arm for Camber and Caster adjustments.

NOTE: When the lower control arm pivot bolts are loosened the lower control arm will normally go outwards automatically with the weight of the vehicle.



CASTER
Moving the rear position of the lower control arm at the frame in or out, will change the caster angle significantly and camber angle only slightly. To maintain the camber angle while adjusting caster, move the rear of the lower control arm in or out. Then move the front of the lower control arm slightly in the opposite direction.



CAMBER
Move both the front and rear of the lower control arm together in or out. This will change the camber angle significantly and caster angle slightly.

After adjustment is made tighten the lower control arm bolt & nuts to FRONT169 Nm (125 ft. lbs.) and the REAR 88 Nm (65 ft. lbs.).



TOE ADJUSTMENT




The wheel toe position adjustment is the final adjustment.


1. Start the engine and turn wheels both ways before straightening the wheels. Secure the steering wheel with the front wheels in the straight-ahead position.
2. Loosen the tie rod jam nuts (3).
NOTE: Each front wheel should be adjusted for one-half of the total toe position specification. This will ensure the steering wheel will be centered when the wheels are positioned straight-ahead.


3. Adjust the wheel toe position by turning the inner tie rod (4) as necessary.
4. Tighten the tie rod jam nut (3) to 75Nm (55 ft. lbs.).
5. Verify the specifications.
6. Turn off engine.


Rob my man..
I made a print out of your post (above) and took to the tire shop. They also didn't know that they could align the caster and camber from the lower control arm. The guy took his time and now my truck is totally aligned. Took for a drive on 87N.. MAN, I never had my truck sooooo smooth.. Finally now I can really appreciate the Bilsteins, SRT8 springs and, of course, the (OEM LOL) wheels and tires..
Thank you my brother!! :thumbsup:

robpp 12-11-2010 09:15 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
thats great fabian :thumbsup:



:w00t:

AcidCold 12-15-2010 10:09 PM

Re: SPC 23410 Ball Joint (?)
 
Those POS BJ's cost me big money! in no way should a lifted guy use those BJ's.. The are made for stock and lowered Jeeps. I broke 5 in a matter of 6 weeks and cost me a 200 mile tow which was not cheap and the manufacture blamed my lift so no help there. BEWARE!


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