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lgret13 12-09-2010 12:46 PM

Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
Found this forum a few days a ago and its very informative.

I'm looking to get into an Overland with V8 and have few questions.

I test drove the V8 and I guess for the size of the vehicle found it responsive, but I currently drive a 2005 300C which is about I think 800-1000lbs lighter, so obviously the V8 does seem not as responsive or as quick compared to that. Anyone here go from a charger or 300 hemi to the grand Cherokee and seem disappointed in the power. Also this will be a daily driver, how do find the ride compared to a car.

Also, has anyone heard when the potential 8 speed transmission might be available.

Thank you in advance.

B.P.O.D 12-09-2010 12:56 PM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
my mom owns a 300 and i have a GC. i have the wk1 not the wk2.

you can't really compare the pickup on the 300 to a jeep bc the 300 will always be quicker and drive totally differently. it will be quicker bc it weights less than the jeep.

my mom also complains about the same when she drives my jeep.

if you want a really fast pick up you should go for the jeep
srt8

blackpepper 12-09-2010 01:00 PM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
No news on the 8A but my guess is that it will be released in 2013.

Technosavant 12-09-2010 01:34 PM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
Keep in mind that the Jeep is a SUV. These tend not to be track-type sporty (as opposed to "go anywhere" sporty), and with the focus on fuel economy, both the throttle response and shift mapping are less aggressive than they might otherwise be. If you get something with the Hemi and the Select-Terrain knob, you can enable both Tow/Haul mode and "Sport Mode," and that is reported to greatly help acceleration (at a cost of fuel consumption).

Ride is very smooth. Again, it's tuned more for rock hopping than for street handling, so it doesn't corner like a race car. You have a soft suspension and a high center of gravity. It does feel great on long trips though.

The 8 speed won't be here any sooner than the 2012 model year. Maybe the 2013 MY. There's been no specific information given on it beyond one being in the works.

parker 12-09-2010 02:57 PM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
I own an '09 Charger Daytona as well as an '11 JGC Overland with Hemi. Yes there is a difference in acceleration, but not enough to talk about.

They have the same engine and transmission combo so the only real difference is wieght. I believe the JGC is tuned to engage the MDS more often or quicker than the charger. Mileage is pretty much eqaul between the two which is saying alot considering the wieght difference.

The charger rides stiffer, but that is due to the sport suspension, it is still a very nice ride even though firm. My mother owns a 300C and the Charger is much firmer, but it is an R/T package due to it being the limited Daytona model. The Jeep is geared more toward a luxury ride. That being said the jeep is very capable handling when pushed hard. You will not push a high sitting SUV like a sport sedan anyway unless you are an idiot.

As far as the 8 speed, I don't see a need for such with the Hemi. More gears don't always eqaul better mileage or operation. The 5 speed is completely sufficent with this engine, more gears would only cause it to be constantly shifting and hunting for the correct one.

I made a quick overtake move on a multi-lane highway with the Jeep in Sport mode last week, and it felt every bit as quick as the charger making the same move. So I would say sport mode will make the field between the two nearer to level. These are my own experiences with both back to back during the past week. If I find things different later I'll say. So far the Jeep has 1400 miles and the Charger 16000.

lgret13 12-09-2010 04:09 PM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
Thanks for the repsonses, I know its not a sport sedan and will not handle like my 300C but I also own a 2008 T&C with the 4.0L engine, which i feel is only adequate for the vehicle and "floaty". I have always had a car and either an SUV or the Minivan, but getting the JGC and having the T&C I want something more car like (like my 300 and less minivan like) .

The reason the JGC appeals to me is the V8, the Luxury, AWD and ground clearance, especially for the winter b/c the 300C sucks in the snow and so does the T&C. I actually feel safer driving the 300 in the snow than the van (but not my wife). I know the 300 comes in AWD but in an emergency the ground clearance makes a huge difference.

Now i just need the wife to test drive it too and choose a color.

Bmwister 12-09-2010 04:13 PM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
I came from a luxury sedan as my personal car and the 2011 Grand Cherokee is, so far, providing me a luxurious ride albeit firmer than a sedan, but not at all harsh. Never once in the past (almost) month I've owned it has the Hemi felt lacking in power. If you are looking for sub 6 second 0-60 times and handling performance like a Mercedes E-class, BMW 5-series or an Audi A6, for example, look elsewhere. Having had the vehicles mentioned, I'd take the 2011 Grand Cherokee over any of them regardless of price...it really is that good a place to be when on the road.

Navy1 12-09-2010 06:01 PM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
I went from a charger to a dodge Ram to the GC....all with the Hemi. I would say there isn't much difference between the charger and the GC...maybe just a little slower but not by much. It's quicker than the Ram but the Ram was over 6K lbs. The Hemi has left me more than satisfied with its performance. Honestly, as a daily driver, its far more comfortable, smoother and more satisfying than the charger and ram. I think its the best vehicle I've ever had....period.

walterhudson 12-09-2010 06:26 PM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lgret13 (Post 314613)
Found this forum a few days a ago and its very informative.

I'm looking to get into an Overland with V8 and have few questions.

I test drove the V8 and I guess for the size of the vehicle found it responsive, but I currently drive a 2005 300C which is about I think 800-1000lbs lighter, so obviously the V8 does seem not as responsive or as quick compared to that. Anyone here go from a charger or 300 hemi to the grand Cherokee and seem disappointed in the power. Also this will be a daily driver, how do find the ride compared to a car.

Also, has anyone heard when the potential 8 speed transmission might be available.

Thank you in advance.

AWD 2008 Dodge Magnum Hemi 0-60 in 5.8 sec.. GC hemi 0-60 in 7.5... Magnum 40 to 60 mph passing 3.2... GC 40 to 60 passing 4.0... Magnum mpg 16/24...GC mpg 13/19 ... new 8-speed tranny will make "a world of difference"...all info from Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and Road and Track objective testing... not from guys who just dropped 40+ on a new GC and are trying to convince themselves and others that its not a dog...NUF Said!

Technosavant 12-09-2010 09:13 PM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walterhudson (Post 314828)
all info from Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and Road and Track objective testing... not from guys who just dropped 40+ on a new GC and are trying to convince themselves and others that its not a dog...NUF Said!

Dude, when was the last time you actually hit 60mph in less than 8 seconds out on the street, let alone needed FASTER acceleration? Those are only achieved with a good deal of wheelspin, and that tends to attract attention from the folks with flashing lights who like to give written awards for performance in traffic.

Those same auto magazines unanimously said the V-6 was plenty for the Grand Cherokee, and it only hits 60mph in 8.5 seconds. By appeal to the same authorities you're quoting, even the "lesser" engine doesn't leave you feeling like you're towing an anchor around.

So it isn't what anybody would call fast. I wonder if the folks complaining about that (such as yourself) regularly use that kind of performance anywhere. In that case, you're best off waiting for a transmission that would allow more flexibility when it comes to throttle response due to better gearing, getting the SRT version, or just realizing that a SUV with off road capability ain't ever going to be a stoplight king.

parker 12-10-2010 10:14 AM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walterhudson (Post 314828)
AWD 2008 Dodge Magnum Hemi 0-60 in 5.8 sec.. GC hemi 0-60 in 7.5... Magnum 40 to 60 mph passing 3.2... GC 40 to 60 passing 4.0... Magnum mpg 16/24...GC mpg 13/19 ... new 8-speed tranny will make "a world of difference"...all info from Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and Road and Track objective testing... not from guys who just dropped 40+ on a new GC and are trying to convince themselves and others that its not a dog...NUF Said!


I could care less about stop watch times. This is a daily driver not a race vehicle. As technosavant said, there is no use for times like this in daily driving.

What I care about is whether or not the car performs well enough to satisfy me on a daily basis for traffic, passing ability, and to get out of the way in case of emergency. I'm also not trying to justify my purchase to anyone. The OP asked how the JGC compares in daily driving to a 300 or Charger. I own both and offered my opinion as to the feel of the car in daily driving. Stop watch times don't always tell the whole story. I've had many "fast" cars that would have been horrible for daily drivers in todays world. Also a 2 second difference in optimal 1/4 mile time will not be perceptable in daily driving situations, only in side by side competition. If you don't believe that ride with a few friends of mine with cars that are within seconds of each other, you will be eqaully thrilled in all of them.

Lighten up, If you want stop watch times go to the dragstrip or track. This isn't what my daily driver is for, I have two road race cars for that.

Bmwister 12-10-2010 10:51 AM

Re: Looking to Buy - few questions.
 
My cousin has a 2009 Audi S6 which is blisteringly fast. Yesterday he was in town on business and we went out to eat. At one point in our drive to the restaurant I had to scoot across some traffic in a hurry. In his words: "Damn, this thing is as quick as my Audi!". Of course the Hemi WK2 is not nearly as quick as his S6 nor many decent sedans, but the "seat of the pants" feel in everyday driving is undeniably good for an SUV as is the comfort and view of the road...intangibles like Technosavant'sand parker's posts alluded to.


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