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Dan828 01-10-2011 06:01 PM

Can't download music to the HDD
 
I can't download music from my Iphone 3G to the HDD using the dashboard USB port and USB cable for my Iphone. When I try, a window pops up saying something like " no downloadable music on this device". Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone have some advice or tricks to resolve this issue?

wsw523 01-10-2011 06:08 PM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
i believe iphone/ipods have drm protection that keeps you from downloading content on them onto other devices beyond the computer that they are sync'd to itunes on. you should be able to copy your music from the itunes music folder (if it is MP3 format) and copy it to a usb key or external hard drive and upload it that way.

maybe someone else has an easier method...

Mashie 01-10-2011 07:02 PM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wsw523 (Post 331881)
i believe iphone/ipods have drm protection that keeps you from downloading content on them onto other devices beyond the computer that they are sync'd to itunes on. you should be able to copy your music from the itunes music folder (if it is MP3 format) and copy it to a usb key or external hard drive and upload it that way.

maybe someone else has an easier method...

correct, you can not copy DRM music (be it from iTunes, Zune, Amazon, etc..) to the 430n. It just doesn't have the software to support the license. Any non-DRMed music either .mp3 or .wma you can copy to a USB thumb drive, plug it into the front of the 430n and copy it over.

If you want album art, you need to rip it directly from the CD to the 430n using the indash CD player.

-Mashie

Cperez 01-10-2011 07:25 PM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
That's correct. You will not be able to use your iPhone/iPod as a portable HD in that way. Apple's devices are not designed for moving music from one device to another. In fact, they are expressly designed to NOT permit that. The reasons are beyond the scope of this discussion.

There are essentially 3 types of music files you will be dealing with in your iTunes library, and the type will determine how/if you can move it to the Jeep's HDD:

1. Music that you've imported from physical CDs. This is unprotected (non-DRM) content. You can move it around at will and copy it to other devices without any technical restrictions.

2. Purchased music from iTunes that does not contain DRM. This is a fairly recent change at the iTunes store, and it makes these music files movable as with Type 1 above.

Moving Type 1 & 2 music files: My recommendation is to organize your playlists within iTunes and then work from that to move the playlists into folders you've created on a portable USB storage device such as a flash (thumb or jump) drive. Some members have used larger USB drives but have reported some issues possibly related to exceeding a certain limit of files. I have been using the naming convention [artistname]dash[albumname] for my folders as this works well with the 430n's "Folder" organization option. I have also heard that some members are simply dropping loose song files into the 430n w/o any type of organization, and the built-in Gracenote database is grouping them automatically. This is a personal preference but I would make myself commit ritual seppuku if I ever did anything that cavalier with my technology.:motx:

3. DRM-protected music (ex: older music that has been purchased from the iTunes store). These files will not play in their native file type (.m4p) on the media center's HDD. One way to strip DRM from this type of music file is to create a playlist in iTunes and then burn that playlist to a CD. The files on that CD can then be re-imported to iTunes sans DRM. There are other methods for stripping out DRM but this is the most straightforward IMO. Once the music is DRM-free, it can be organized and moved the same as Types 1 & 2 above.

You can also feed CDs one at a time into the HDD's slot, but this is by far the slowest method on a song-by-song basis. The upside is that at least currently, this seems to be the only way to preserve album art for each CD you load.

Note on music file formats: There are a variety of file formats that offer different benefits. Unless you are an audiophile, you are probably mainly interested in getting as many songs as possible onto your HDD as efficiently as possible. IMO, AAC format is a good format that yields good-sounding playback and a small size (3-4 MB per song). iTunes offers good Help files for describing the how-to's of converting your music if needed.

I will ask other members to chime in if I've left anything out or misspoken, or if they have other best practices they can share.

Dan828 01-10-2011 08:19 PM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
Thanks everyone for the advice and info. I have a few ideas as to what to do. Although I love my Apple products, leave it to them to be restrictive and exclusive.

jimoverland 01-13-2011 08:17 AM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan828 (Post 331870)
I can't download music from my Iphone 3G to the HDD using the dashboard USB port and USB cable for my Iphone. When I try, a window pops up saying something like " no downloadable music on this device". Has anyone else had this problem? Does anyone have some advice or tricks to resolve this issue?

I've had the same issue.

I put mp3 files on a 1 gig flash drive and tried to upload them multiple times, but get the same message.

My Ipod works great, so I haven't messed with the HDD much since my initial 3 tries, but I'd like to know the answer. My guess is that the thumb drive wouldn't work because it had other files on it (Word docs, etc. . .). Does anyone know if this could be the cause?

IndyBob 01-13-2011 08:27 AM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimoverland (Post 333564)
I've had the same issue.

I put mp3 files on a 1 gig flash drive and tried to upload them multiple times, but get the same message.

My Ipod works great, so I haven't messed with the HDD much since my initial 3 tries, but I'd like to know the answer. My guess is that the thumb drive wouldn't work because it had other files on it (Word docs, etc. . .). Does anyone know if this could be the cause?

I took a blank (empty) flash drive and created a folder called Music.
Copied my mp3 files to it and was able to download them to my 430N without problems.

Cperez 01-13-2011 08:46 AM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimoverland (Post 333564)
My guess is that the thumb drive wouldn't work because it had other files on it (Word docs, etc. . .). Does anyone know if this could be the cause?

Given the sparse file management controls and the time it takes to upload regardless of how you do it, I would always go with a "clean install" and not throw any curveballs at the 430n (.doc files etc.)

The 430n requires far too many button pushes to navigate around the music features but I do like the sound, instant on, and reliability of the HDD over the other methods. My .02.

dandre1989@gmail.com 06-22-2011 10:36 PM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
I know this is an older thread, but I found the answer, and since everyone is so caught up with file format, copyright protection, and a few other irrelevant things I thought I'd post an appropriate answer here.

You'll need to format your flash/jump drive with the format type 'Fat32' in order for the Jeep's HDD to recognize the files. Formatting the drive will erase the current data, so make a copy of everything on the jump drive before reformatting.

All you have to do is:
1. Insert the jump drive into your PC
2. Go to 'Computer' (Start Button -> Computer)
3. Figure out which icon/item refers to the drive you wish to reformat
4. (Optional) Copy all files on the jump drive to a folder on your computer
5. Right-click on the jump drive within the 'Computer' dialogue
6. Choose 'Format' from the drop down menu (The 'Format <drivename>' dialogue should be displayed)
7. Under 'File systems' choose 'Fat32'
8. Ensure 'Quick Format' is checked
9. Click 'Start'
10. When it finished put the .mp3 files back on the flash drive, they are now readable by your Jeep HDD

Andrew Klossner 06-23-2011 12:02 PM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dandre1989@gmail.com (Post 436098)
When it finished put the .mp3 files back on the flash drive, they are now readable by your Jeep HDD

If you're a patron of the iTunes music store, you can include your unprotected music files, those with extension .m4a. Protected files have extension .m4p and the 430N can't play them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cperez (last January) (Post 331956)
I have also heard that some members are simply dropping loose song files into the 430n w/o any type of organization, and the built-in Gracenote database is grouping them automatically.

Those loose song files are organized by the metadata within each MP3. The Gracenote database is only consulated for CDs. (It's indexed by a hash of CD track lengths.)

paulie2575 12-03-2011 12:39 PM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
dandre, thanks A TON! This fixed it!!!!

wingman1800 12-08-2011 11:01 AM

Re: Can't download music to the HDD
 
thank you ... thumb drive worked perfectly.......now all is on HDD.


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