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Caleb5995000 05-03-2011 03:32 PM

Trouble codes... need help!
 
Hi, I found this forum while searching for solutions to my beloved Jeep's maladies. I found another thread that had similar issues, but mine are different enough that I thought another thread would be advisable.

I've got a 99 Grand Cherokee, 4.7, 175k miles. She starts and runs smoothly. She has plenty of power. Gas mileage is decent-ish: 13 to 18 mpg. Since she runs well, I have been ignoring the check engine light for a while. But I can no longer do so because I need to pass smog in order to renew my registration.

In the past I've been able to use diagnostic codes in conjunction with online research and trial and error to find and replace faulty sensors. But this time I'm way over my head. Thank you for your help in advance. So... here are the codes:

P0203 - Cylinder 3 Injector Circuit Malfunction
P0201 - Cylinder 1 Injector Circuit Malfunction
P0208 - Cylinder 8 Injector Circuit Malfunction
P0133 - Oxygen Sensor Circuit Slow Response (Bank1, Sensor1)
P0171 - System Too Lean (Bank 1)
P0462 - Fuel Level Sensor Circuit Low Input

Additional info: My fuel gauge has never work properly - very erratic. The fuel pump, filter, and fuel level float were replaced several years ago. I think I have a small exhaust leak on the passenger side (manifold gasket?). I already tried cleaning the Mass Airflow Sensor (using brake cleaner).

Cheers,
Caleb

Frango100 05-03-2011 08:41 PM

Re: Trouble codes... need help!
 
I would start cleaning the connectors on the PCM with electrical contact cleaner. Reset the codes and see what it will do.
It seems that your bank 1 O2 sensor 1 needs to be replaced.

Scottina06 05-03-2011 08:55 PM

Re: Trouble codes... need help!
 
wow...what a list! Listen to the smart guy just below you!

Caleb5995000 05-03-2011 09:27 PM

Re: Trouble codes... need help!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frango100 (Post 408686)
I would start cleaning the connectors on the PCM with electrical contact cleaner. Reset the codes and see what it will do.
It seems that your bank 1 O2 sensor 1 needs to be replaced.

Thanks for the speedy response, Frango100!

Is the PCM under the dash?

Regarding the O2 sensor: bank 1 sensor 1 is under the hood on the driver's side, correct? And where can I find that part number? Also, do you recommend a specific manufacturer? I've read that some people do NOT recommend Bosch sensors for Jeeps. In your opinion is there any validity to this concern?

Cheers,
Caleb

2005JGC 05-04-2011 03:26 AM

Re: Trouble codes... need help!
 
You need:

Throttle position sensor for your injector control issues

Quote:

Case Number919935880 Vehicle IssueMIL on P0203 : 13 : INJECTOR #3 CONTROL CIRCUIT with no drivability issues: Noise in TPS circuit.;Internally the PCM uses the same A/D (analog to digital) converter for TPS voltage as it does for the speed control switch sense. If the v-37 circuit has voltage bleed over from another source, a code of TPS Shorted to voltage, TPS does not agree with MAP may be set in the PCM and or injector fault codes.System or ComponentDTC / Error Message;Yes - IntermittentRecommendationUse A lab scope to check TPS voltage for .02 (or more) voltage change/noise a new TPS may be required.
Modification Date09/30/03 9:17 AM
O2 sensor for slow response and likely your system lean... MIGHT be due to exhaust leak.

for your P0462 - (another star case) The root cause electrostatic discharge between the fuel tank and the PCM through the fuel sending unit circuit.Ground Strap Kit p/n 05139183AA is now in stock and can be ordered. It is supposed to have an I-sheet included.

Frango100 05-04-2011 06:58 AM

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Didnīt knew about the TPS causing this codes, would be a simple fix.
Regarding the O2 sensor, it would be wise to repair the exhaust leak first, because it could solve those other codes. If not, yes, the bank 1 sensor 1 is on the LH bank exhaust (looking from drivers seat), the first sensor after the gasses exit the cylinders.
I have no personal experience with O2 sensors, but i heard that you can best go with OEM ones. Other sensors are not bad, but it seems that the sensor heating on not OEM sensors is more slow and can cause your Check Engine coming on again.

TJXJWJ 05-04-2011 07:45 AM

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IF you're replacing 02 sensors, use OEM. I read an entire article somewhere (forget where) that explained in GREAT detail, why and it had a lot to do with warm up times of the actual sensors (OEM V Bosch).

If you keep calling your Jeep a "she", it will continue to have issues and give you headaches :)

Lastly, I agree that you should start by replacing the TPS (based on 2005JGC's info) and repairing any exhaust leak and then reset the PCM (under the hood, near passenger's side firewall by the way) and take it from there.

JeepMe 05-04-2011 08:06 AM

Re: Trouble codes... need help!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Caleb5995000 (Post 408711)
Regarding the O2 sensor: bank 1 sensor 1 is under the hood on the driver's side, correct? And where can I find that part number? Also, do you recommend a specific manufacturer? I've read that some people do NOT recommend Bosch sensors for Jeeps. In your opinion is there any validity to this concern?

There's an easy way to determine if it's caused by an exhaust leak or not. Pull the O2 sensors. Swap the positions (bank 1 goes to bank 2, bank 2 goes to bank 1). Reset the codes and see if the error moves to bank 2 or stays on bank 1. If it stays on bank 1, it's most likely an exhaust leak.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJXJWJ (Post 408863)
If you keep calling your Jeep a "she", it will continue to have issues and give you headaches :)

:lol::lol:

Caleb5995000 05-05-2011 01:50 AM

Re: Trouble codes... need help!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2005JGC (Post 408830)
You need:

Throttle position sensor for your injector control issues



O2 sensor for slow response and likely your system lean... MIGHT be due to exhaust leak.

for your P0462 - (another star case) The root cause electrostatic discharge between the fuel tank and the PCM through the fuel sending unit circuit.Ground Strap Kit p/n 05139183AA is now in stock and can be ordered. It is supposed to have an I-sheet included.

Wow! Great info... thanks!

Caleb5995000 05-05-2011 01:52 AM

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OK, so I've located the O2 sensor and its stuck... I mean really frozen on there. Any suggeestions?

Caleb5995000 05-05-2011 01:55 AM

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If you keep calling your Jeep a "she", it will continue to have issues and give you headaches :)
[/QUOTE]

HAHAHA!! I burst out in laughter when I read that. My girlfriend asked what was so funny, so I read it to her. Now she's mad. :rolleyes:


To be honest, even with all her problems my Jeep has been more faithful than any woman I've been with (present girlfriend excepted, of course).

Amelie 05-05-2011 05:30 AM

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TJXJWJ: You need to upgrade that signature picture with the Gen III projectors you have lol, Those Gen II's are a thing of the past brotha! lol


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