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Uncle Paul 10-10-2011 10:01 PM

Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
Noticed that there is a significant weight penalty for adding a V-8 to the Jeeps.

A base 2wd Laredo weight 4470 lbs, while a loaded Overland Summit comes in at a porky 5210 lbs.

This is 740 extra pounds for the Overland Summit to carry around. It also reduces the payload by 440 lbs.

Weight distribution on a V-6 is a sports car balanced 51% Front and 49% Rear.
Weight distribution on a V-8 is a pretty nose heavy 54% Front and 46% Rear.

The V-6 is all aluminum while the v-8 is Cast Iron Block with Aluminum heads.

This may explain while some say the V-6 has plenty of power, while others feel it is underpowered.

V-8 only revs to 5,800 rpm while V-6 Revs to 6,400 RPM.

Be interesting to see them go up against each other on a tight road course.:slapfight:

moosehead 10-10-2011 10:41 PM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Paul (Post 497192)
...Be interesting to see them go up against each other on a tight road course.:slapfight:

Let's rumble!

http://jeepgarage.org/showthread.php...emi+wanna+race

Scottina06 10-10-2011 10:58 PM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
very interesting

moosehead 10-10-2011 11:55 PM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
Meh. Hemi still has the power to weight advantage.

JF_Inferno 10-11-2011 08:45 AM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
First of all.... A hemi would arse rape my V6 dog... Second of all I think I'd Sh!t myself when approaching the first tight bend on a track when slowing from high speed (assuming my V6 makes it to said 'high speed')to make the curve.

I can't say this enough to anyone on the fence between V6 and V8; Don't get the V6

JoeSchmoe007 10-11-2011 08:48 AM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Paul (Post 497192)
Noticed that there is a significant weight penalty for adding a V-8 to the Jeeps.

A base 2wd Laredo weight 4470 lbs, while a loaded Overland Summit comes in at a porky 5210 lbs.

This is 740 extra pounds for the Overland Summit to carry around. It also reduces the payload by 440 lbs.

Weight distribution on a V-6 is a sports car balanced 51% Front and 49% Rear.
Weight distribution on a V-8 is a pretty nose heavy 54% Front and 46% Rear.

The V-6 is all aluminum while the v-8 is Cast Iron Block with Aluminum heads.

This may explain while some say the V-6 has plenty of power, while others feel it is underpowered.

V-8 only revs to 5,800 rpm while V-6 Revs to 6,400 RPM.

Be interesting to see them go up against each other on a tight road course.:slapfight:

Your weight comparison is somewhat apple to oranges. Base Laredo is missing a lot of other parts comparing to Overland Summit. One includes Quadralift (air suspension+tank+compressor). Other is trunk opener. And I am sure there is more. HEMI by itself adds 300 lbs (if I am not mistaken). Plus as soon as you get HEMI you get different 4WD system.

Technosavant 10-11-2011 11:30 AM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
Best handling would likely be a V-6 RWD for weight reasons. However, if we're talking 4x4s, then the higher trim levels (with QTII or QDII) would be the ones to go with thanks to the Sport mode (with the lessened stability/traction control and rear biased torque split).

The V-8 would would definitely be faster in a straight line, but it is possible that the V-6 might regain the advantage in the corners. Now, how much of that would be arguable, since we are talking a high center of gravity 5000 pound SUV. But the V-6 runs the same size tires, so it isn't at a contact patch disadvantage.

I'd think if you could keep the Pentastar on boil through use of the autostick, it would probably be competitive with the Hemi equipped model on a tight road course. Much of a straightaway though, and the V-8 might just run away with it.

DaBigBone 10-11-2011 11:31 AM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
Watching two full size SUVs road racing would be hilarious.

JRoll1ns 10-11-2011 12:17 PM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
I know from experiance that a summit with 20"s in sport mode might not be a SRT8 but it sure as hell isn't like trying to road race a Tahoe. Point being, with 50% more torque and QDII, I would say that there is no competiton between the two in any form or fasion. Any way you look at it, a stock V6 (any trim level GC) will never out perform the V8 ( any trim level GC) in anything. With the exception of gas mileage and possibly breaking.

Thats not to say that the V6 isn't a great motor, it is. It will move a rather large and heavy vehicle forward while towing something like 3500lbs. It will get better gas millage than a V8 most of the time. It is not a torque monster and it never will be.

Everyone knows that as soon as they (the industry) cracks the codes for programming that through very mild upgrades, a power tune and the elimination of torque management, the hemi will put out almost 400hp and 400 lb/ft of torque. Short of a power adder the V6 will never get anywhere near that.

I guess what I'm saying is quit arguing over apples and cumquates (oranges are even too close of a comparison). Something worth comparing would be the old 4.7 to the 5.9, or the 5.9 to the 5.7. Or even the old V6 to the new V6 but not the new v6 to the 5.7.


This was not directed at anyone peronally so please don't take it that way. Thank you everyone for allowing me to voice my opinion. (Now stepping off soapbox and exit stage left);):D

moosehead 10-11-2011 12:26 PM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBigBone (Post 497369)
.....SUVs road racing would be hilarious.

Exactly why I give 'er a go on a regular basis. Mwahaahaaa!

Terminator2 10-11-2011 01:17 PM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe007 (Post 497290)
Your weight comparison is somewhat apple to oranges. Base Laredo is missing a lot of other parts comparing to Overland Summit. One includes Quadralift (air suspension+tank+compressor). Other is trunk opener. And I am sure there is more. HEMI by itself adds 300 lbs (if I am not mistaken). Plus as soon as you get HEMI you get different 4WD system.

This right here. The Hemi V8 is only 250 lbs or so heavier then the V6 so a fully loaded V6 Overland summit would come in just under 5K lbs compared to 5200 lbs.

Terminator2 10-11-2011 01:24 PM

Re: Is the V-6 the best handling?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by moosehead (Post 497399)
Exactly why I give 'er a go on a regular basis. Mwahaahaaa!

I have 2 curvy roads I drive every day and the Jeep does very well for what it is especially with the QD II set to sport mode. The stock Goodyear Forterribles are my only real complaint as far as the ride, traction and handling.


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