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Blueflame1979 01-04-2012 11:06 AM

did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
After was already done, I was adding the Atf4 with the engine running, emergency brake on, and I went through all the gears ended in park and on level ground. I added 6 quarts checked the tranny fluid and it was just above the upper hole where the Cold is marked. And more fluid above it but was all.over the place. I then decided it would be a good idea to take it to the highway to get a more accurate reading after warming up. I went 15 miles and checked it just like I did the first time, in 15 degree cold weather and it was marked at the upper cold reference hole. So I decided to add half of a quart more and checked it l, there wasn't much of a difference, I checked it 2 minutes after adding the half quart. After 6.5 quarts like the manual.states it's still not where it needs to be at. I checked for leaks pan is still dry. So I'm baffled. I don't want to keep adding more, I don't want to overkill, been there done that, with leaks. I know at two different instances I had to get something tranny related done at the mechanic and everything they drained and refilled I had to bring it back to the mechanics because it was underfilled.
Am I missing something here? Could it be that since its real cold here the tranny oil didn't get to full.operating temperature? Has anyone had to add more than 6.5 quarts of tranny oil after dropping the pan? Should I just drive it and wait and see if the transmission gives me somekind of sign so I can keep adding tranny oil? Like if it slips or hard shifts? It's been riding smooth so far. Shed some light please.

01grand 01-04-2012 11:25 AM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
I believe I ended up putting 7 quarts into mine. I think the service amounts are approximate, it depends on how long you let fluid drain out, it seems like it just kept coming when I did mine. I just kept an eye on mine for a few days to see how it did, and it never gave me any problems.

Blueflame1979 01-04-2012 11:46 AM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
I let it drain for about an hour, I will tell you that plenty of fluid came out, too bad I didn't measure what came out. I already have 6.5 in without any hopes that half of a quart more is going to bring it up to level. It looks like it might take 2 quarts more before it even reaches the hot holes, but then again 8.5 quarts in total sounds too much. When I looked at the fluid it still looked kinda thick like it had not gotten warm enough to fully expand even though I drove close to 15 miles prior to checking it. It's difficult for me to just drive enough to no where just to get the tranny fluid warm enough for me to check, cause the Jeep.consumes so much gas. It shifts fine for now, what do you recommend that I do?

soontobesrt 01-04-2012 12:18 PM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
Id say the trans is up to operating temp after probably 15-20 minutes of driving (not idleing) but actual driving and gear movement. So check it then and youll have a pretty good idea. If its still low after that much top it off some more until you reach the level and check after its up to temp again. From that you will be able to see if you are losing fluid.

Really from a pan drop you'd only lose about 20% of the actual fluid since the majority is in the TC so you shouldn't need to put much more than what you've put in so far.

Blueflame1979 01-04-2012 12:28 PM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
I was just thinking that I did replace both filters, Maybe the filter might soak up some of the fluids, I was doing some research on the Net and read people adding as much as eight quarts to fill a 545rfe transmission after A Pan Drop. I drive 4 miles total everyday so I just have enough gas till next week when I get paid. Am I safe just driving to work until I can spare extra gas next week so I can check it? Am I on the safe side of when I get to drive around to check it and add a half a quart accordingly untip at the proper level. Plus it's cold here in Ny, maybe that might have something to do with the tranny oil not warming up right. I also read tranny oil warms up faster in stop and go traffic and cools down in the highway since you're driving at a consistent speed. Either way what's my best option?

cheapjeep 01-04-2012 01:29 PM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
Are you checking it in neutral it makes a difference.

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/...2/CIMG0783.jpg

Blueflame1979 01-04-2012 01:34 PM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
That's another thing I hear about checking it in natural, but service manual says to check it in Park with parking brake engaged.

oldgeezer 01-04-2012 01:47 PM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
Here is the procedure from my owner's manual. I have a 5.7 with the quadradrive II trans. I would not think that should make a difference though?

", Fluid Level Check


NOTE:
If equipped with a dipstick, use the following
procedure. If your vehicle has a capped dipstick tube, it
is sealed and should not be tampered with. Your authorized
dealer has the proper tools to ensure that the fluid
level is set properly.
Check the fluid level while the transmission is at normal
operating temperature. This occurs after at least 15 miles
(25 km) of driving. At normal operating temperature the
fluid cannot be held comfortably between the fingertips.
To check the automatic transmission fluid level properly,
the following procedure must be used:
1. Operate the engine at idle speed and normal operating
temperature.
2. The vehicle must be on level ground.
3. Fully apply the parking brake and press the brake
pedal.
4. Place the gear selector momentarily in each gear
position ending with the lever in P (Park).
MAINTAINING YOUR VEHICLE 337
7
5. Remove the dipstick, wipe it clean and reinsert it until
seated.
6. Remove the dipstick again and note the fluid level on
both sides. The fluid level should be between the HOT
(upper) reference holes on the dipstick at normal operating
temperature. The fluid level is only valid if there is a
solid coating of oil is seen on both sides of the dipstick. If
the fluid is low, add as required into the dipstick tube.


Do
not overfill.

After adding any quantity of oil through the
oil fill tube, wait a minimum of two (2) minutes for the oil
to fully drain into the transmission before rechecking the
fluid level.
NOTE:


If it is necessary to check the transmission below
the operating temperature, the fluid level should be
between the two COLD (lower) holes on the dipstick
with the fluid at approximately 70F (21C) (room temperature).
If the fluid level is correctly established at
room temperature, it should be between the HOT
(upper) reference holes when the transmission reaches
180F (82C). Remember it is best to check the level at the
normal operating temperature.
CAUTION!
Be aware that if the fluid temperature is below 50F
(10C) it may not register on the dipstick. Do not add
fluid until the temperature is elevated enough to
produce an accurate reading.
7. Check for leaks. Release parking brake.
To prevent dirt and water from entering the transmission
after checking or replenishing fluid, make certain that the
dipstick cap is properly reseated. It is normal for the
dipstick cap to spring back slightly from its fully seated
position, as long as its seal remains engaged in the
dipstick tube.

338 MAINTAINING YOUR VEHICLE"
Hope that this helps.


Blueflame1979 01-04-2012 03:50 PM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheapjeep (Post 545358)
Are you checking it in neutral it makes a difference.

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/...2/CIMG0783.jpg

You know what Dude? Thanx it does make a difference, I know there was a pic on ur post but didn't notice it was a dipstick, was on my phone. Then when I zoomed in I read the dipstick and read mine and its correct it is in neutral even though manual says in park. 7 quarts bought it up right before the lower hot reference hole, I'll leave that margin of error, just incase it expands more, I'll wait till the weather gets warmer and get a better reading.Just want to know how many people are driving around with a full quart over because they get another reading in park.

Blueflame1979 01-04-2012 03:51 PM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
Thanx everyone!!

ZF1FR 01-05-2012 08:34 AM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
Do you know why we draw 7 quarts whereas MB owners only 4 quarts on the same 722.6 gearbox?

jeepgcoman 01-05-2012 09:44 PM

Re: did my first transmission pan Drop today..Gooo Me!! Now Im confused.
 
Mine (5.7 with 545RFE) ended up taking 8 qts. after pan drop and both filters changed. In cold weather it'll take maybe 30 miles of good driving to completely heat it up to operating temp.


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