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oe542bob 03-04-2012 08:23 PM

Wind warning!
 
Hi everyone.. New to the forum. I have a 2011 Overland Summit with the 3.6L. It's one I the nicest vehicles I've ever owned. Have it just shy of 1 year. No issues so far. Reason for this post is to warn everyone about gusting wind when opening front door. Went to get out of vehicle yesterday and as I opened the door, a gust of wind yanked the door and forced it so hard against the hinges, it dented the door on the crease that starts on the front fender and continues on the side of the door. It caught me by surprise.. Luckily I had enough room to the next car in the lot or the damage may have been worse. Anyhow now I have this ugly dig on that crease.:mad:

HemiHog 03-05-2012 11:20 AM

Re: Wind warning!
 
If it gives any comfort, the same thing happened to my passenger door when it got ripped out of my 11 year-old's hands one rainy, windy night about a month after taking delivery of our '12 Limited. It took a couple of days for anyone to realize what had happened. They came back home in the Jeep one afternoon and I was admiring it as they pulled in the driveway, only to notice the dent in the crease. At the time, my daughter mentioned the incident with the wind, but I sort of shrugged it off figuring that violent of a deal would have tweaked the hinges or the sheet metal where they mount and the door still closed fine. It wasn't until I was showing my dad what happened that we started realizing it really did result from the wind. Opening the door and even pulling back on it, we still couldn't get it to less than a 3/8" or so away from the fender, but the dent aligned perfectly with the place where the fender crease protrudes at the end of the fender.

I took mine to a paintless dent place that had done work on our older cars. He was able to make it better, but with it being on that body line, it is still visible. I would say it's about 80% better, though. Some days I don't notice it, but in the right light it looks as horrible as ever. I will probably still take it to an autobody I trust to see what they say sometime because it still bugs me, but hate the thought of painting the door, too.

Very frustrating since I am pretty anal with everything, so I feel you pain. I think the hinges, in general, are abnormally weak on the Grand Cherokee. The detents are too soft and don't hold the door in place as well as other vehicles I've owned. Not saying that's the reason it happened, but I think it contributed because the door travels so (too?) easily from closed to full-open and so there is little resistance to gusts of wind.

Good luck with your repair!

bit50 03-05-2012 12:00 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
That sucks!!!!

I was commenting the other day to my wife that the doors open really wide, almost 90 degrees. I think that is way more then necessary and is probably what allowed this damage to occur. I don't like it already as you have to be very careful when opening the doors in a parking lot as to not hit the other car. Usually doors don't open that wide.

ColinIllinois 03-05-2012 01:40 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
Thanks for this valuable warning. This new guy appreciates all these tidbits.

Tybalt39 03-05-2012 02:15 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bit50 (Post 586961)
Usually doors don't open that wide.

And, they don't have anyplace in between closed and fully open where they will "stay put" easily. Oh, there is a spot around 45 degrees where (if you are lucky) the door will stay open, but you can't easily hit that every time. If you miss it, the door will just slam back closed.

I would say the door is my most often cursed aspect of this vehicle. I really have no other major annoyances when operating the GC. But I use the doors every time (at least twice :D).

ColdCase 03-05-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
I like the wide opening doors, but the 45 degree indent is weak and there should be a limiting strap. I wonder how easy it would be to add one, there is not much clearance between the door and fender with the door fully open.

jgc4ever 03-05-2012 07:59 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiHog (Post 586939)
If it gives any comfort, the same thing happened to my passenger door when it got ripped out of my 11 year-old's hands one rainy, windy night about a month after taking delivery of our '12 Limited. It took a couple of days for anyone to realize what had happened. They came back home in the Jeep one afternoon and I was admiring it as they pulled in the driveway, only to notice the dent in the crease. At the time, my daughter mentioned the incident with the wind, but I sort of shrugged it off figuring that violent of a deal would have tweaked the hinges or the sheet metal where they mount and the door still closed fine. It wasn't until I was showing my dad what happened that we started realizing it really did result from the wind. Opening the door and even pulling back on it, we still couldn't get it to less than a 3/8" or so away from the fender, but the dent aligned perfectly with the place where the fender crease protrudes at the end of the fender.

I took mine to a paintless dent place that had done work on our older cars. He was able to make it better, but with it being on that body line, it is still visible. I would say it's about 80% better, though. Some days I don't notice it, but in the right light it looks as horrible as ever. I will probably still take it to an autobody I trust to see what they say sometime because it still bugs me, but hate the thought of painting the door, too.

Very frustrating since I am pretty anal with everything, so I feel you pain. I think the hinges, in general, are abnormally weak on the Grand Cherokee. The detents are too soft and don't hold the door in place as well as other vehicles I've owned. Not saying that's the reason it happened, but I think it contributed because the door travels so (too?) easily from closed to full-open and so there is little resistance to gusts of wind.

Good luck with your repair!

I'd look into claiming that on your insurance policy (similar to hail damage) and get a whole new fender.

oe542bob 03-05-2012 08:40 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
Hi to all. Here's an update. Stopped at an auto body shop we have used in the past, and it's going to cost $700. I thought about the paintless dent removal. I have a friend that does it for a living and he has done some amazing work on some dents for me. He's even been able to repair a dent in one of my motorcycle gas tanks. Well anyhow, I know that the crease being damaged like it is doesn't lend itself well to the paintless dent removal techniques. Also some comments about the door detents is very true. Hadn't thought about it, but now that I think about it too, I agree they way too weak especially at the 45 degree position. It's just ok when fully opened. Oh, one last point, insurance coverage comes under comprehensive..so, it's going to cost me $100 out of pocket.

SW03ES 03-05-2012 08:52 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
How interesting.

We too got a nasty ding on that spot on the door. I assumed it must have been a violent door ding, but neither of us could recall where we could have gotten one. We had it PDR'd and it looks probably 90% better. Nobody but me would notice it, but it bugs me. With the pearl green paint I'm concerned about buying myself bigger problems if I have it painted so I will probably leave it. I noticed when washing the jeep that the ding lines up precisely with the edge of the fender.

I bet the same thing happened to us. We were out the night before and had the Jeep valeted at a nice restaurant, it was REALLY windy. I assume thats where it happened, I bet the same thing happened to the valet...

Thats a design flaw sure as the world! No way the door should be damaged by opening it all the way...

Lingohocken 03-05-2012 09:27 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
Welcome, and thanks for this very practical tip!

Patrick8917 03-06-2012 07:28 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
I was telling my Father about this issue and apparently his CX9 had a similar hinge problem when it came out. Mazda issued a TSB and fixed the hinge issue for free. I wonder how widespread this Jeep issue will become.

WoodyCanuck 03-06-2012 10:17 PM

Re: Wind warning!
 
Thanks for the tip. Sorry to hear about the damage.
Myself, being anal about parking, door dings, et al, I have thought about this problem a lot.
If I had small children this would be a huge issue. We all know that children, while certainly adorable, aren't as careful as we'd like. ;)
Most of us can all recall seeing children opening doors, and having the wind take the door out of their hands.
Can you imagine the damage these 90 doors would do to someone else's vehicle if allowed to be taken by the wind? :eek:


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