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ducks unlimited 11-05-2009 04:57 PM

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i had an 02 sensor replaced in march 2009 now im getting
bank 1 sensor 2 or fuel pressure problem my warrenty ran out and the dealership said they will give the part for free but
they will charge me to install it so i asked them if i can install it myself and they told me thats fine where is this bank 1 sensor 1 located

robpp 11-05-2009 05:59 PM

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give me the actual code. i think the manual may help identify exactly which one and which side.

there are 4 o2's. bank one would be closest to engine. bank 2 is further back.

ducks unlimited 11-05-2009 06:07 PM

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at autozone it was po138a

Escape 11-05-2009 06:54 PM

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You have 4 O2 sensors. Bank 1 and Bank 2 refers to the side of the engine it is connected to

Bank 1 = Cylinder 1,3,5,7 = drivers side
Bank 2 = Cylinder 2,4,6,8 = Passengers side

Sensor 1 = Before the Cat = Important = Controls your fuel for your engine
Sensor 2 = After the Cat = Not really important = makes sure your Cat is working as it should

Ton of info on them here if you want to know:
http://www.aa1car.com/library/o2sensor.htm

I'd just replace the sensor and see as it is probably dead (I have received a dead one brand new in the plastic, Jeep didn't like that very well at all...lol). If you have a DashHawk you can monitor the O2's voltage and see if they are bouncing correctly or find someone with a scanner.

They are not that hard to replace but THEY ARE VERY HOT and so are the CATS. You will have to shove your arms way up in there too so be careful and unclipping them is a severe PITA!

This info below is from the service manual

P0138-O2 SENSOR 1/2 CIRCUIT HIGH (CONTINUED)
For the Engine circuit diagram (Refer to 9 - ENGINE - SCHEMATICS AND DIAGRAMS).
For a complete wiring diagram Refer to Section 8W.
When Monitored:
O2 Sensor Heater Temperature is greater than 496C (925F) and battery voltage greater than 10.99 volts.
Set Condition:
The Oxygen Sensor voltage is above 3.99 volts for 30 seconds. One Trip Fault. Three good trips to turn off the
MIL.
Possible Causes
(K141) O2 1/2 SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO BATTERY VOLTAGE
(K904) O2 RETURN DOWNSTREAM CIRCUIT SHORTED TO BATTERY VOLTAGE
(K141) O2 1/2 SENSOR SIGNAL CIRCUIT OPEN
(K904) O2 RETURN DOWNSTREAM CIRCUIT OPEN
O2 SENSOR
PCM
Always perform the Pre-Diagnostic Troubleshooting procedure before proceeding. (Refer to 9 - ENGINE -
DIAGNOSIS AND TESTING).
Diagnostic Test
1. O2 SENSOR ABOVE 3.7 VOLTS
NOTE: When only one O2 Sensor is shorted to voltage, the scan tool will display all O2 Sensor voltage
readings at approximately 5.0 volts. When diagnosing this DTC, only diagnose the O2 Sensor that set the
DTC.
Start the engine.
Allow the engine to reach normal operating temperature.
With a scan tool, read the 1/2 O2 Sensor voltage.
Is the voltage above 3.7 volts?
Yes >> Go To 2
No >> Refer to the INTERMITTENT CONDITION Diagnostic Procedure.
Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. (Refer to 9 - ENGINE - STANDARD PROCEDURE)
9 - 178 ENGINE ELECTRICAL DIAGNOSTICS WK
P0138-O2 SENSOR 1/2 CIRCUIT HIGH (CONTINUED)
2. (K141) O2 1/2 SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO BATTERY VOLTAGE
Start the engine and allow the engine to idle.
Disconnect the 1/2 O2 Sensor harness connector.
Measure the voltage on the (K141) O2 Sensor 1/2 Signal circuit in the
O2 Sensor harness connector.
NOTE: Measure the voltage in reference to ground, not the (K904)
O2 Return Downstream circuit.
Is the voltage above 0 volts?
Yes >> Repair the short to battery voltage in the (K141) O2 Sensor
1/2 Signal circuit.
Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. (Refer
to 9 - ENGINE - STANDARD PROCEDURE)
No >> Go To 3
3. (K904) O2 RETURN DOWNSTREAM CIRCUIT SHORTED TO BATTERY VOLTAGE
Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the C2 PCM harness connector.
Ignition on, engine not running.
Measure the voltage on the (K904) O2 Return Downstream circuit in
the O2 Sensor harness connector.
Is there any voltage present?
Yes >> Repair the short to battery voltage in the (K904) O2
Return Downstream circuit.
Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. (Refer
to 9 - ENGINE - STANDARD PROCEDURE)
No >> Go To 4
WK ENGINE ELECTRICAL DIAGNOSTICS 9 - 179
P0138-O2 SENSOR 1/2 CIRCUIT HIGH (CONTINUED)
4. O2 SENSOR
Turn the ignition off.
Connect the C2 PCM harness connector.
Connect a jumper wire between the (K141) O2 1/2 Signal circuit and
the (K904) O2 Return Downstream circuit in the 1/2 O2 Sensor harness
connector.
Ignition on, engine not running.
With a scan tool, monitor the 1/2 O2 Sensor voltage.
Is the voltage between 2.3 and 2.7 volts with the jumper wire
installed?
Yes >> Replace the O2 Sensor.
Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. (Refer
to 9 - ENGINE - STANDARD PROCEDURE)
No >> Go To 5
NOTE: Remove the jumper wire before continuing.
5. (K141) O2 1/2 SIGNAL CIRCUIT OPEN
Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the C1 and C2 PCM harness connectors.
CAUTION: Do not probe the PCM harness connectors. Probing
the PCM harness connectors will damage the PCM terminals
resulting in poor terminal to pin connection. Install Miller Special
Tool #8815 to perform diagnosis.
Measure the resistance of the (K141) O2 1/2 Signal circuit from the
O2 Sensor harness connector to the appropriate terminal of special
tool #8815.
Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?
Yes >> Go To 6
No >> Repair the open in the (K141) O2 1/2 Signal circuit.
Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. (Refer
to 9 - ENGINE - STANDARD PROCEDURE)
9 - 180 ENGINE ELECTRICAL DIAGNOSTICS WK
P0138-O2 SENSOR 1/2 CIRCUIT HIGH (CONTINUED)
6. (K904) O2 RETURN DOWNSTREAM CIRCUIT OPEN
Measure the resistance of the (K904) O2 Return Downstream circuit
from the O2 Sensor harness connector to the appropriate terminal of
special tool #8815.
Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?
Yes >> Go To 7
No >> Repair the open in the (K904) O2 Downstream Return circuit.
Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. (Refer
to 9 - ENGINE - STANDARD PROCEDURE)
7. PCM
NOTE: Before continuing, check the PCM harness connector terminals for corrosion, damage, or terminal
push out. Repair as necessary.
Using the schematics as a guide, inspect the wire harness and connectors. Pay particular attention to all Power and
Ground circuits.
Were there any problems found?
Yes >> Repair as necessary.
Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. (Refer to 9 - ENGINE - STANDARD PROCEDURE)
No >> Replace and program the Powertrain Control Module per Service Information.
Perform the POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST. (Refer to 9 - ENGINE - STANDARD PROCEDURE)

Escape

ducks unlimited 11-05-2009 07:10 PM

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thanks for the write-up +REP
this should be sticky in case another wk member runs into this problem

ducks unlimited 11-06-2009 04:28 PM

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heres the part i got today

http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1257529273

robpp 11-06-2009 06:28 PM

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sweet ducks. once I saw escape had you covered i didnt repeat his info, so know i didnt forget......

Joe in PA 11-06-2009 07:48 PM

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If you've never replaced an O2 sensor before you might want to pick up the special socket that lets you use a ratchet even with the wire pigtail. You might be able to do it with an open end wrench, might not be able to do so but it will be easier with the socket.

http://www.matcotools.com/ProductImages/OSS121.jpg

ducks unlimited 11-07-2009 02:38 PM

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my buddy and i just got finish with it. it wasnt easy to do because you dont have much room to work with and the hanger it in the way here are pics

to the right is the cat convert not much room to work with
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1257622359

if you have big hand dont thing of doing this job you have little room to work with and why did that have to put the hanger right there. you can pull the wire a lil but too much cause i was in fear of ripping the wire out
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1257622591

and here what it look like...nasty
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1257622543

ducks unlimited 11-18-2009 09:40 PM

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well changing the sensor didnt help the light came back on yesterday po13a i dont know anymore

Chaoul1 11-18-2009 09:43 PM

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Just go to the dealership and tell the to reset it. And tell them if this happens again they have to try and solve it.

ducks unlimited 03-14-2010 11:24 AM

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im back to this thread again!! its now po13a


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