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eriet30 04-24-2012 06:05 PM

How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
Dealer said it was just the frame. But ive noticed a lot of the interior cabin is extreemly similar .... engine layout (not engine of course) etc.

I have heard a few rumors that the air suspension is shared as well.

Anyone know?

Yadkin 04-24-2012 06:12 PM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
I was driving on the highway next to one the other day and was amazed at the way both vehicles rode the same. I laughed because I know that I have about $20k still in my pocket and I have a nicer looking vehicle with a better 4WD system.

The suspension (not sure of the air system), rear differential and transmission are the same too.

nonopr01 04-24-2012 09:42 PM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
That other cars is quieter, more fuel efficient and a lot more expensive. Plus material on the inside are premium to the tee. Our card material in some areas are questionable for the price we pay.
But I do love my 2012 G.Cherokee

ChuckinMA 04-25-2012 05:31 AM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
I traded an 06 ML350 for a '12 Grand Cherokee, and thankfully we do not have the MB airmatic suspension. The light / wipers stalk is almost identical, and i'm sure there are other similar parts lurking underneath.

Molson 04-25-2012 08:15 AM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
Funny you should ask. I've got a 2011 WK2 and my brother in law is an engineer for Mercedes-Benz USA. He's been working for them for a good 8 years now at the M-Class plant in Tuscaloosa Alabama after 3 years in Germany. They own both a 2011 M class and a 2012 M class. With both of our vehivles sitting in the drive way I asked how much each had in common...."Not much".

Apparently both sides had and have alternate plans. A lot of our welding in the engine bay if you look there are seems of metal and then there's an epoxy for rust protection. The Mercedes have seamless welds and a little more finish work. Tolerances in body panels, i think the fabric used in the wheel wells is a 2 ply sound deadening vs MB 3 ply. When you lift the tailgate up and see the pneumatic lift gate mechanism, the Mercedes are enclosed and the entire tailgate shroud is enclosed in a plastic panel for aesthetics. There's tons of these small differences in addition to the larger obvious ones. It dosen't take a genius to see that they're not the same in a lot of aspects.

Obviously his opinion doesn't matter and he was absolutely impressed with the quality and simplicity of some of the manufacturing of it. Dollar for dollar the Jeep is a better bang. The Mercedes are great but they're over engineered and breaking something like a cupholder will cost you an arm and a leg.

They're just not an apple to apple comparison.

Lingohocken 04-25-2012 05:20 PM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
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Originally Posted by Yadkin (Post 618521)
I was driving on the highway next to one the other day and was amazed at the way both vehicles rode the same. I laughed because I know that I have about $20k still in my pocket and I have a nicer looking vehicle with a better 4WD system.

The suspension (not sure of the air system), rear differential and transmission are the same too.

Not the same transmission, at least as of yet, but in a year or so the WK2 will have the same XF-8 transmission.

Yadkin 04-25-2012 05:41 PM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lingohocken (Post 619066)
Not the same transmission, at least as of yet, but in a year or so the WK2 will have the same XF-8 transmission.

Quote:

The Pentastar V6 is attached to the Mercedes W5A580 five-speed automatic, with Chryslerís controls and the driver-interactive control.
http://www.allpar.com/trucks/jeep/2011-cherokee.html

eriet30 04-25-2012 07:05 PM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
Thanks that helps it appears that both Jeep and Merc would rather not actually say how much but i would guess close to 40-45% of these "components" are almost swappable with a bit more engineering sharing in the begining, or in other words they start as siblings but end up cousins.

Snipe315 04-26-2012 12:02 AM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
Other than the frame, I remember hearing that a lot of the electronics are either the same or based on a shared design. That includes the Forward Collision Warning, Blind Spot Sensor, Adaptive Cruise Control, and Cross Path Detection systems.

And I believe the transmissions are based on the same design or a shared design.

dave2002ti 04-26-2012 06:13 AM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
Just can't wait until GC shares with various Fiats. That will be scary but will provide entertainment when you can jsut watch your GC rust away before your eyes like Fiats.

Hope Jeep never shares anything with Fiat and that is one of thereason I didnt wait for the diesel.

sined240 04-26-2012 06:53 AM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
It is the chassis that is the same, meaning the structural unibody and the underlying suspension. Other than some controls (buttons, adaptive cruise, blind spot monitoring) and etc, everything else is designed separately probably.

SMG1 04-26-2012 07:01 AM

Re: How much is still shared/common with the M-Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dave2002ti (Post 619408)
Just can't wait until GC shares with various Fiats. That will be scary but will provide entertainment when you can jsut watch your GC rust away before your eyes like Fiats.

Hope Jeep never shares anything with Fiat and that is one of thereason I didnt wait for the diesel.

This is 2012 not 1982. Are you one of the same guys who doesn't like MDS because of GM's failed V8-6-4 expirement in the '80s?


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