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ENFORCER 07-09-2012 07:16 PM

GC Moose Test Fail
 
This video http://www.teknikensvarld.se/jeepmoosetest/
is a real worry for anyone who drives this car. I must admit I hope that there is going to be a fix for the stability control.

Douggie66 07-09-2012 07:38 PM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
That's a bit scary, fingers crossed someone at Jeep sees this and takes it seriously enough to come up with a fix.

I have noticed some "roll" myself but that is compared to my last car which was an X5. I never did expect the GC to handle as well as the X5 but it would be nice to know that it won't roll over in an emergency.

ENFORCER 07-09-2012 07:48 PM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
Yeah it is weird that this video shows the car is stable. They may have turned off the ESC on the Moose test and not mentioned it.

savvas 07-09-2012 08:10 PM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
Not enough detail to make an informed judgement on this. This looks like an Overland (sunroof), therefore has quadralift. What setting was the QL on? Also, you will note that the front left tyre has gone down to the rim on the evasive maneouvre. Is it underinflated? I'd expect deformation of the side wall but that's extreme.

He's only doing 63.5km/hr ... that's hardly flying.

The Euro NCAP test that is linked to above is done at 80km/h and the steering is activated much faster than the swedish test, and yet the GC goes nowhere near rolling over. This link explains this test ... http://www.euroncap.com/Content-Web-...ee5a2/esc.aspx

The Euro NCAP test results are here .. http://www.euroncap.com/results/jeep.../2011/460.aspx

BobT 07-09-2012 08:18 PM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
Likewise, we need to know more. Europeans tend to change tyres seasonally so maybe they were running high performance road tyres for their summer which would produce considerably greater lateral forces than our so-so all season Kumhos. Still, I'd be happier if it had passed.

SvenskaJeepGuy 07-09-2012 08:27 PM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
I also think they tried to get that result by either under inflating two of the tires or turning off the esc or a combo of them both

Scottina06 07-09-2012 08:43 PM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
its a rigged test that many sites have called them out on!

http://jeepgarage.org/showthread.php?t=44466

GlennR 07-09-2012 09:23 PM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
We're taught not to swerve to avoid stray skippies and other wildlife, no matter what the vehicle you're driving. Too many drivers have been killed by taking evasive action and ending up wrapped around a tree. Having said that, I wouldn't fancy my chances with the 2 tonne camels roaming around the "red centre."

ENFORCER 07-09-2012 09:32 PM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
Thanks Scott, that is good to know. Bit of a worry that they can rig these tests. We all know about the harm this test did on the A class Merc.

blarol 07-10-2012 12:26 AM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
If the vehicle was overloaded and the ESC was turned off (plus I suspect the suspension was in Off Road 1 position - look at the static photos, vehicle looks high when standing and in the turn has tire compression but with little or no suspension compression) the vehicle performed particularly well -it did not roll over after this violent and unusual test.
The credibility of the "moose/elk" test is poor, no vehicle fails the initial avoidance maneouver but just about all have some instability problems at the violent opposite change back to the original lane. Simply due to the driving procedure - same exit speed as entry (unusual in a similar real world emergency - you would either off the throttle and/or braking) plus the cross arm steering technique gives the driver a lot of leverage in the opposite lock situation. This is why it is used in car rallying ("scandinavian flick technique") and it is designed to unstable the suspension into oversteer.
If it is true that the ESC was disabled and the vehicle loaded beyond its registered GVM then I think Chrysler should sue these turkeys but having some knowledge of the swedish legal system; I would have to wish them good luck.
Just to add I can recall a prominant Swedish car manufacturer was accused of allegedly reinforcing their car bodies in crash testing advertising so horses for courses.

jefferson.oz 07-10-2012 03:29 AM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
Gee, if they can make the Jeep look that bad, I'd like to see what they would have done to my 120 series Prado.... Probably roll it two, nah, three times.... peanuts.

Dasher 09-25-2012 12:55 AM

Re: GC Moose Test Fail
 
Two words for the JGC moose test "A JOKE" did not change my opinion to purchase my JGC, bloody european propoganda!!!!


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