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jerkylips 07-13-2012 02:07 PM

maintenance costs for diesel?
 
was talking to my mechanic today while he was fixing my flat tire, and asked if he knew anything about the new diesel going into the GC. He said he knew a couple people that had the older one in 2008 or so, but wasn't familiar with the new one. He said that the one thing he'd warn is that basically all maintenance is significantly more expensive on diesels. He gave me an example of something he did on a Ford Super Duty, which makes me think it may be an apples-oranges comparison because it's so much bigger.

Anyway, does anyone have experience with maintenance costs, maintenance schedules for the 3.0 CRD, etc? I've pretty much convinced myself this is the route I want to go, but I want to make sure I'm making the right decision..

thanks!

Jamesla30 07-14-2012 07:51 PM

Re: maintenance costs for diesel?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jerkylips (Post 656035)
....Anyway, does anyone have experience with maintenance costs, maintenance schedules for the 3.0 CRD, etc? I've pretty much convinced myself this is the route I want to go, but I want to make sure I'm making the right decision..
thanks!

I'm in the same boat as you. Waiting to order the CRD... I don't think "maitenence" costs are really that much more expensive. I mean it's not gonna cost any more for normal maitenance like oil changes, tire rotation, fluid flushes, etc, etc. I think the expensive things might happen later on down the road (after 10 years for example), when major problems with the engine develop. Diesel parts are a lot more expensive....

If you plan on having the car for 10+ years, buy the maxcare lifetime warranty and you'll never have to worry about it ;) I think I may consider doing this.

man n black 07-14-2012 08:28 PM

I have a 2008 Cummins Ram.

As far as diesel costs being higher, there are some things that are more expensive. Oil changes cost more because the amount of oil in a Diesel is significantly more in quantity. That being said, most other routine maintenance is about the same as are driveline related issues.

Injectors are expensive, catastrophic maintenance is more expensive on the engine side, but understand the diesel engines are built to a much stouter / stronger build point and will FAR outlast a petrol engine of same size and get better fuel economy to HP ratios to boot ( my RAM is rated at 350hp/650tq, weighs 8k plus pounds and was getting close to 20 mpg stock).

You can also run them on biodiesel b20 which helps the environment.

Cheers,
Ch

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ENFORCER 07-14-2012 08:38 PM

Re: maintenance costs for diesel?
 
The costs are very similar to the Hemi. Normal service is almost the same as several things are not needed on a pertol such as sparkplugs offset the extra oil costs. Long term, I think the CRD may cost more as the fuel system is under massive pressure and I am sure the injectors and fuel pumps are costly items. Warranty is a worthwhile thing and will hopefully mitigate any costly items that may fail.

dave2002ti 07-15-2012 10:52 AM

Re: maintenance costs for diesel?
 
Dont forget the cost of having the piss tank refilled every 8k miles or so and the computer reset. Some automakers require that this be done at the dealer.
I have heard some BMW and Mercedes dealers charging up to $500 for this service. I wonder if thats for special organic Bavarian cattle and sheep who get a special diet of special grass and real Lowenbrau!!!!!

Also remember the price of diesel moves up and down with the time of year and the rise in price usually happens with an increase in demand for home heating oil and cold winter temps.

FAUEE 07-15-2012 04:12 PM

Re: maintenance costs for diesel?
 
The worry isn't the cost of the maintenance, it's the quality.

Almost all the issues with the previous CRD engine can be traced back to improper upkeep, largely at dealerships themselves. Last time, the CRD was low production, and very different, many dealers didn't even have a diesel qualified tech. As a result, a LOT of the WK CRDs suffered tremendously at the hands of dealer techs.

If Jeep does the same thing and doesn't have properly trained dealer techs to work on the diesels, no matter how great the engine is, I wouldn't touch it with a 20 foot pole. The new engine is a VM Motori engine, so it's not even like it's used in other vehicles on the market.

I wouldn't buy one unless I knew for a fact that the dealership was going to have a dedicated diesel tech who would be the only guy to do any kind of work on the CRDs. That includes oil changes, which was a major killer of WK CRDs.

ENFORCER 07-15-2012 07:15 PM

Re: maintenance costs for diesel?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dave2002ti (Post 656802)
Dont forget the cost of having the piss tank refilled every 8k miles or so and the computer reset. Some automakers require that this be done at the dealer.
I have heard some BMW and Mercedes dealers charging up to $500 for this service. I wonder if thats for special organic Bavarian cattle and sheep who get a special diet of special grass and real Lowenbrau!!!!!

Also remember the price of diesel moves up and down with the time of year and the rise in price usually happens with an increase in demand for home heating oil and cold winter temps.

There is no urea in the CRD's (export models) I cannot speak for the USA ones, but I would think they will be the same.

dave2002ti 07-18-2012 07:51 AM

Re: maintenance costs for diesel?
 
Urea injection will be mandatory in the good ole USA. Only diesel I know of that could meet our standards w/o it was a Honda diesel. Honda later decided not to send this diesel to US. Fiat just isnt that good in engine design. BMW, Audi, VW, Porsche and MB all require a piss refill.

Cant wait to hear about folks in late Spring/Summer of 2013 bitch about their diesel powered GC going into limp home mode before 8k mile refill interval.
Or some urban dwelling Obama loving Dem filling the container with human piss because they were too stupid to go to the dealer. Have a kegger and fill the tank.

rubicontrail.net 07-18-2012 08:37 AM

Re: maintenance costs for diesel?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dave2002ti (Post 658201)
Urea injection will be mandatory in the good ole USA. Only diesel I know of that could meet our standards w/o it was a Honda diesel. Honda later decided not to send this diesel to US. Fiat just isnt that good in engine design. BMW, Audi, VW, Porsche and MB all require a piss refill.

Cant wait to hear about folks in late Spring/Summer of 2013 bitch about their diesel powered GC going into limp home mode before 8k mile refill interval.
Or some urban dwelling Obama loving Dem filling the container with human piss because they were too stupid to go to the dealer. Have a kegger and fill the tank.

1.) VW currently has a diesel engine in the Jetta that does not require a urea addiditive in the US.
2.) Keep politics off the forum. This a Jeep forum, most of us go here to get away from the Fox News type banter. There are other forums for these discussions.

ENFORCER 07-18-2012 10:20 PM

Re: maintenance costs for diesel?
 
The CRD is EURO5 compliant, so this is well beyond any USA specs.
I will be surprised if they do install urea system on the US spec ones. Do not make assumptions on this very fine motor, it is very fast and advanced. Anyone who gets one will me more than impressed by the economy, power and torque.

ClarkeyWKCRD 07-19-2012 12:43 AM

Here here Enforcer.

This is my first diesel let alone turbo diesel and I must say I am more than impressed. I used to think of them as smoke bellowing, truck like pulling machines and certainly not the economical and sophisticated machine I have with my new GC. Not to mention I have speed on tap when I need it.

So far so good & certainly worth getting.

savvas 07-19-2012 01:18 AM

Re: maintenance costs for diesel?
 
Spot on guys.

And to back up ClarkeyWKCRD's comments, mine produces zero visible smoke at any time. Passengers have a hard time believing it's a diesel. Even one eagle eyed pedestrian that is thinking of upgrading to one, stopped to tell me that it sounds nothing like a diesel when it goes by.

Just wait till you see it in the US, then have a drive. You wont be disapponted.


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