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Espngo 09-02-2012 09:06 PM

Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
I'll just cut to the chase...my 2011 Overland wouldn't start, it took two weeks at the dealer for them to figure out it was the TIPM (totally integrated power module). It was replaced and issue was resolved. If you want the extended version, continue reading below...

My 2011 Overland wouldn't start one morning so I jumped it to get to the dealer. I am not very familiar with car problems so my inability to describe the issue well led them to believe it was an issue with the battery or a draw on the battery. Two days later, the saw no issue, charged the battery and returned the vehicle.

The next morning, it didn't start again. Jumped it to get to the dealer. They held it for 2 days and saw no issue. They flashed a TSB and returned the vehicle.

The next morning it did not start again. Jumped it a 3rd time, drove it to the dealer and said, I don't want it back until this is resolved. I get a call the next morning, they said the jeep started right up but had a very long crank. I said that was exactly what was happening. That afternoon, they called again and said they are ordering a new fuel pump and it would take 2 days to receive.

Two days later, fuel pump arrives and get another call. Was told they no longer think the fuel pump was the issue. A 3rd mechanic had suggested that the TIPM be replaced however this part was 5 days on backorder.

Five days later, the TIPM was replaced and the issue is resolved. Thanks to Allen Samuels Jeep in Katy TX for thier diligence.

Angler 09-04-2012 07:16 PM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
Good news indeed. :thumbsup: Glad they were able to figure it our for you. I've heard good things about Allen Samuels in the past. Hopefully they will continue to keep you satisfied.

jasonl 02-26-2013 03:51 PM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
I am having the exact same issue with my 2011. Long crank, usually it starts but a few times it didn't until the 2nd try. What is the TIPM? Never mind a little research has uncovered another can of worms for this vehicle. Just had my heads replaced at 37,000 and now with 38,500 I am possibly looking at a $600 out of pocket repair for a known problem.

Trevorj 02-26-2013 11:46 PM

My 2011 overland is standing with the same problem. The drain on the battery is the fuel pump that does not turn off. We were out camping and the vehicle standing close to us and I could here the pump running. This was an intermittent fault so it was difficulty to trace. Back order on system is 5 weeks. :(
This is a known problem but I have to pay for it as the vehicle is out of warranty. 115000km

jacko15 02-27-2013 07:01 AM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevorj (Post 768627)
My 2011 overland is standing with the same problem. The drain on the battery is the fuel pump that does not turn off. We were out camping and the vehicle standing close to us and I could here the pump running. This was an intermittent fault so it was difficulty to trace. Back order on system is 5 weeks. :(
This is a known problem but I have to pay for it as the vehicle is out of warranty. 115000km

Crazy problem, and not a cheap fix. Sorry to hear about it. Things like this have convinced me to get the Chrysler MaxCare Lifetime service contract with my new Overland. Still, 5 weeks for the part? That sucks!

jasonl 02-27-2013 08:07 AM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
OK, so what I don't understand is in my case an the OP's, we have a hard start/long crank. I used to be a Ford tech and the first thing I would check for is fuel pressure bleed off. Does Chrysler vehicles bleed the pressure off automatically and then prime the system before starting? That seems odd, but may very well be the case. My concern is: Is this common and does it leave people stranded or does the vehicle just die while driving? I love advancement and technology, but really? The Power distribution box needed a complex circuit board to control headlights,wipers, fuel pump etc..?

padgett 02-27-2013 10:20 AM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
On a GM car first you check for a drain. If the fuel pump it is usually a stuck relay. $10 item/5 minute fix. Fuel pump is designed to give a two second shot when you turn the key on then interlock with the oil pressure switch.

The ECU/PCM is one of the most reliable components and most of my GM cars are between 20 and 40 years old (heck, that applies to everything here except son's car and the heep).

ps since I have a Pentastar, I bought the lifetime "Added Care Plus". It covers the powertrain and entertainment systems (and a lot more)but figure I can fix most of the lightbulbs for under $100.

skimmer8824 03-23-2013 01:41 PM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
Hi all, I just wanted to add that my 2012 Laredo has been doing a similar thing intermittently over the past few months. It would always start up, but then after about 3-5 seconds the engine would just shutoff. If I were to immediately try it again, it would run the starter until I cancel start up (like a no fuel condition). After waiting for a minute afterwards, it would always fire up like there was never a problem. My first thought was that it was a fuel pressure problem, but I have not done any diagnostic besides check fuses and relays. I have not brought it into the dealer yet, because I cannot replicate the problem. It seems to be almost completely random, and over the past few months I have not been able to correlate the fail to start to any condition.

jasonl 04-03-2013 09:07 AM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
Mine is fixed....kinda. Since my last post I decided to check connectors, fuses etc. and all looked good. While looking for the repair order (for the cylinder heads being replaced) in the center console I noticed my wife had a phone charger plugged in the 12v "hot" port. I thought on a whim that maybe as crazy and sensitive these electronics are that it was interfering with the TIPM or remote etc. I also asked my wife how long the starting problem was happening and it corresponded with the timing on when she plugged the charger in to charge something. Long shot? Yes, but out of warranty by 3,000 miles I decided to unplug it. The Jeep has started normal with the remote ever since and there were some very cold mornings. I did not plug the charger back in for fear of toasting a circuit the TIPM etc. , but it went from every day long crank/no start to starting normal for about 1-1/2 months. I suspect my battery itself has a bad cell and the charger's small draw was effecting it, even tho it appeared to crank normal. Anyhow just wanted to put it out there to anyone having this starting issue, check to see if you are using the 12v "hot at all times" port in the console. Maybe it's related? If not I found a big coincidence on my wife's.......:confused:

padgett 04-03-2013 03:20 PM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
Posted a bit on the no start button but will expand a little here. Most modern chargers particularly those for telephones use a nano switching power supply to change the 12v to ac then back to a different (often 5v) voltage. If the switching frequency can feed back to the PCM then there are a number of sensors that can become confused.

HemiGlock21 08-15-2013 06:14 PM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
I just got the news today that my 2011 Grand Cherokee needs a new TIPM. I had the same damn problems the others had on here - a long crank, multiple attempts to start and sometimes right after turning over the engine died. I took it to the Jeep dealership and they diagnosed the TIPM being the problem instantly.

So here is the bottom line:

I have the MaxCare warranty, which I paid $3k for. It will be covered, BUT....
they say there is a 6 to 8 WEEK BACKORDER. WTF am I supposed to do for the next two months? I could get stranded at any time. I think Chrysler should pay for my rental car. Has anyone else been in this situation?

bullrider718 08-15-2013 06:25 PM

Re: Long extended crank & no start FIXED!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiGlock21 (Post 876802)
I just got the news today that my 2011 Grand Cherokee needs a new TIPM. I had the same damn problems the others had on here - a long crank, multiple attempts to start and sometimes right after turning over the engine died. I took it to the Jeep dealership and they diagnosed the TIPM being the problem instantly.

So here is the bottom line:

I have the MaxCare warranty, which I paid $3k for. It will be covered, BUT....
they say there is a 6 to 8 WEEK BACKORDER. WTF am I supposed to do for the next two months? I could get stranded at any time. I think Chrysler should pay for my rental car. Has anyone else been in this situation?

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