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Robey5 11-02-2012 04:29 PM

SMS and 730N
 
From what I have read, the 730N (RHR) head unit should be able to read and/or send text messages. For some reason, with my Blackberry Torch connected to the uConnect system, and try to initiate a text message by using the phone button and barking "S-M-S" the head unit does nothing.

Some times when I bark the S-M-S command, it tries to find a person in my phone book to call.

Perhaps I need to upgrade the phone I am using, or perhaps I am not using the right steps to initiating a text message.

Am I missing something here?
:confused:

Tybalt39 11-02-2012 05:53 PM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
Basically, through all of the upgrades, this function has never been enabled. The lower model (430N) received the capability last March, but not the 730N. Still waiting......

Robey5 11-05-2012 04:24 PM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
Thank you. I appreciate it - what is the hold up here on the 'upgrade'??

Tybalt39 11-05-2012 08:43 PM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robey5 (Post 707320)
Thank you. I appreciate it - what is the hold up here on the 'upgrade'??

*sox*? Anyone? (Bueller?)

xsdbs 11-06-2012 01:01 PM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
I'm not "Bueller" but I'll toss out a couple thoughts......

The hold up may be that the 730 & 730N radios are built by Harman, they have enternal Uconnect and the 430 & 430N are built by Mitsubishi, they use an external Uconnect modules. There are different engineering teams that work on these systems.
MAP is the newer profile that is needed to support SMS. The problem is that the BT specs are not tightly regulated which gives the phone mfgs some wiggle room in how the specs are interpetated by them. If a SW is written to how it is interpreted by one person, it may not be the same by another person. Like with the 430 & 430N, there are a handful of phones that work with SMS and some that don't. This is true even within the mfg. I have seen (1) Samsung work fine and then a new model doesn't. I have seen this with BB, LG and HTC as well. So Harman may be sitting back to see how the phone mfgs are going to support it, find a common ground between them and then write the SW.
Now I don't know that this is what they're doing but it may be. Just like with anything new, something will always need to be fixed.






Quote:

Originally Posted by Tybalt39 (Post 707442)
*sox*? Anyone? (Bueller?)


Corp Cog 11-06-2012 08:08 PM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
Nice theory. But despite sloppy implementation by hardware manufactures, the spec is pretty comprehensive and thoroughly documented. http://developer.bluetooth.org/Knowl...s/MAP_SPEC.pdf The Bluetooth Message Access Profile (MAP) was released to manufacturers in 2009, ironically Harman Becker was part of the working group which developed the standard. It was the culmination of a over 5 years of development, so it wasn't a surprise release. Although MAP wasn't widespread in cell phones for the first 2 years after release, that's not the case now. Chrysler/Jeep did a fine job marketing the feature in their sales literature for the 730N, however it has yet to materialize. My theory is that the development of the feature will not get much attention. After my own repeated failed attempts to get an official acknowledgement from Chrysler, and Harman abandoning the community, I'm left using a freeware beta android app to do what my >$1000 "infotainment" relic never delivered. If it weren't for the "leaked" updates from Sox I would not have received a single update. This is a major disappointment, hopefully the 8.4 version performs as promoted and is supported better.

xsdbs 11-07-2012 12:43 PM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
Disclaimer--- I'm not trying to argue but like everyone else looking for input.
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Corp Cog, thank you for that link, I am printing it out to use as a learning tool. I noticed that not only was Harman on the developement team, as well as Motorola and Nokia.
You say that the spec is comprehensive, so why is it that some phones work well with MAP and some don't? On the "non harman" radios I will ask:

1) Why does the Samsung NOTE, Blaze, Focus II, & Transform Touch work but the GIII doesn't (can receive and give notification but won't send).
2) The Motorola DroidX, Droid4, Bionic, Droid Razzr etc all do the same as the Samsung phone.
3) BlackBerry phones with 7.0 & 7.1 work well.
4) HTC Sensation works but none of their newer phones that the specs say support MAP don't work.

It is quite strange why one model phone doesn't work but yet another model does.

I don't know but it seems to a dummy like myself that if there rules are structured then everyone would need to play by them.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Corp Cog (Post 707851)
Nice theory. But despite sloppy implementation by hardware manufactures, the spec is pretty comprehensive and thoroughly documented. http://developer.bluetooth.org/Knowl...s/MAP_SPEC.pdf The Bluetooth Message Access Profile (MAP) was released to manufacturers in 2009, ironically Harman Becker was part of the working group which developed the standard. It was the culmination of a over 5 years of development, so it wasn't a surprise release. Although MAP wasn't widespread in cell phones for the first 2 years after release, that's not the case now. Chrysler/Jeep did a fine job marketing the feature in their sales literature for the 730N, however it has yet to materialize. My theory is that the development of the feature will not get much attention. After my own repeated failed attempts to get an official acknowledgement from Chrysler, and Harman abandoning the community, I'm left using a freeware beta android app to do what my >$1000 "infotainment" relic never delivered. If it weren't for the "leaked" updates from Sox I would not have received a single update. This is a major disappointment, hopefully the 8.4 version performs as promoted and is supported better.


Corp Cog 11-09-2012 07:36 PM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
xsdbs, It's only conjecture, but I'll expand my theory. The specification is comprehensive. It does require both the "sender" and "receiver" to have a properly implemented standard. To add to the complexity MAP is dependent on other protocols to operate properly, GAP, SPP and GOEP specifically. In the case of the Chrysler radios, I believe the 430 has a separate Bluetooth module. The 730N has an integrated bluetooth module. My guess is that the separate module is flash updatable and the MAP functionality was updated to a compliant standard. MAP work at the application layer but is still dependent on hardware. So, phone manufacturers must implement the protocol exactly as the reference standard prescribes, as well as implementing the other protocols MAP relies on correctly too. Chrysler's radios have to implement MAP as prescribed as well as the other protocols too. I suspect that Harman's implementation of the protocols and possibly the supporting hardware are not compliant. Or, Harman and Chrysler really are not motivated to implement the software that utilizes MAP to deliver the functionality the 730N was advertised with. Or maybe it's all of these factors, crappy hardware, sloppy implementation of the protocols, and no desire to implement the software. No matter what the cause, we are all facing the same symptom, no SMS text support on the 730N radio for any MAP compliant phone. No menu or voice option for such a feature either. Just silence. I've given up trying to get an answer from Chrysler, 12 more months and I'll get a new Jeep, and hopefully the 8.4 works as advertised.

Robey5 11-12-2012 01:54 PM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
It is rather disappointing that the 730N a) does not currently work in sending/reading/receiving SMS and b) likely will never work as it is/was supposed to.

I am assuming that the 730N would just have to be 'flashed' with a new SW of some sort to make this functionality work. Since Chrysler///Harmon will not make any money in making this function work, it is likely that there will never be a fix to make it work.

Tybalt39 11-13-2012 11:28 AM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robey5 (Post 710134)
It is rather disappointing that the 730N a) does not currently work in sending/reading/receiving SMS and b) likely will never work as it is/was supposed to.

I am assuming that the 730N would just have to be 'flashed' with a new SW of some sort to make this functionality work. Since Chrysler///Harmon will not make any money in making this function work, it is likely that there will never be a fix to make it work.

Most likely, you are correct. At least until there is an enthusiast market built-up around the OS who are interested in "hacking/cracking/modding" it, like there is around smartphones. My old Windows Mobile 6.5 phone could sit up and bark (almost). It could run Windows, Windows 95, Android, a "cracked" version of iOS, and run two days on a charge on a 1500mah battery. A dedicated community of enthusiasts can make an OS and hardware do almost anything they can imagine.

Robey5 11-14-2012 10:19 AM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
Yes, Tybalt39 - anything is possible.

The problem here is that the market of enthusiasts is kind of limited; as the truck is above $40k, and the number of 730N radios is not nearly as large as the market that exists for a piece of electronics like a cell phone.

I guess what I am getting at is the number of enthusiasts who know how to code is limited; meaning that the SMS functionality on the 730N is likely never going to happen.

I am a degreed engineer; I suppose I would take a crack at it, but an unexperienced person trying to revise code is about as effective as a quarterback with out arms.

Tuffy 02-18-2013 08:40 AM

Re: SMS and 730N
 
Any followup on this issue? Has there ever been an upgrade to enable texting on the 730N?


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