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glassmtn 11-24-2012 08:36 PM

V6 Passing Performance
 
I am thinking of buying a 2012 or 2013, JGC and would like to know if the V6 is generally thought of as being underpowered. I currently own a 2005 Subaru Outback with the 4 cylinder engine and an auto transmission. While I think the Subaru Outback is a very good vehicle, I think of it as a compromise one. It has a good AWD system in snow and travels well on graded and/or graveled dirt roads. However, I am very disappointed in its passing power. Pass at your own risk.

I live in a rural setting, and only have two lane roads with limited passing zones for 100 miles in any direction. I usually do not drive very fast as the speed limits here are 55 mph. Accordingly, I usually drive with the cruise control set to 63 mph which I consider ticket proof.

My main power concern is passing power from 65 to 75 mph. So those with experience with the V6, will I be able to easily pass slower moving vehicles traveling 60 mph without risking life and limb on these two lane roads.

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

eric.

Shortdustoff 11-24-2012 09:46 PM

Re: V6 Passing Performance
 
It's no neck snapper, but I have had no problems passing even when driving around the Smokey Mtns in NC. There are a lot of threads discussing this with many a heated debate. I would say the V6 is on par with passing ability of my suburban or Tahoe I had before it. Best bet is go test drive and see if it meets your needs.

padgett 11-24-2012 10:07 PM

Re: V6 Passing Performance
 
Biggest issue I have in passing is looking down after and being surprised at how fast it is going.

Yadkin 11-24-2012 11:27 PM

I do a lot of driving in the NC mountains and the V6 is great. I was in flat country a while back and passed a car and the acceleration was surprising.

JoeSchmoe007 11-24-2012 11:41 PM

Re: V6 Passing Performance
 
Yeah passing power in this speed range is not great (I own V6 WK2). You press on gas, there is delay. Dropping down one gear manually helps somewhat.

But you know what? I test-drove HEMI as well and didn't notice it to be much snappier in similar circumstances. And there is some delay too.

So test-drive both. It's a heavy vehicle and both engines are now tuned for fuel economy. Plus there is such a thing as gear ratio, whatever it is - it was changed to the worse (as far as speed pickup goes) in this generation for the same reason. Plus Electronically Controlled Throttle.

n0bread 11-25-2012 12:48 AM

Re: V6 Passing Performance
 
No problems with passing once the tranny changes down. Main difference at highway speed between the engines is having to change down more often with te v6 than the v8

bigrboland 11-25-2012 07:31 AM

Re: V6 Passing Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeSchmoe007 (Post 714982)
But you know what? I test-drove HEMI as well and didn't notice it to be much snappier in similar circumstances. And there is some delay too.

This is obviously your opinion, but I certainly didn't, and don't, share that view. I love how mine rarely has to downshift.

glassmtn - You mentioned the Subaru being a comprimise. Don't make the same mistake twice. Just my $.02.

Yadkin 11-25-2012 07:44 AM

Do the math. Based on EPA ratings and 20k miles per year for 4 years, i estimated a present value cost of over $3500. Add in the price difference and the total is more than $6G.

Then look at power to weight ratios of your present vehicle with the ones that you are comparing.

Better to use logic to make your decision rather than emotion.

bill_de 11-25-2012 08:19 AM

Re: V6 Passing Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yadkin (Post 715056)
Better to use logic to make your decision rather than emotion.

If that's how cars/SUVs were purchased we would only have a half dozen vehicles to choose from, across all lines. Just spending money is emotional for some. Going faster than the guy in the next lane, who might not be in a hurry to get where he's going, is still a thrill for some. We hear all the time, "I pull away from the pack when the light changes". That's a thrill, but has nothing to do with more power. The rest of the folks aren't concerned with being out in front. Half still don't know the light changed.

Logic is great for Vulcans, but for us mere humans emotions are a part of every decision we make. That's what makes life interesting.

bigrboland 11-25-2012 08:27 AM

Re: V6 Passing Performance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yadkin (Post 715056)
Do the math. Based on EPA ratings and 20k miles per year for 4 years, i estimated a present value cost of over $3500. Add in the price difference and the total is more than $6G.

Then look at power to weight ratios of your present vehicle with the ones that you are comparing.

Better to use logic to make your decision rather than emotion.


You can use math, or "logic", or think it's all about emotions, but the FEEL is MUCH different when actually DRIVING the two. And in MY opinion, the V8 FEELS better, and it's not close.

That's what was important to me, just as cost is important to you. If glassmtn isn't interested in compromising based on $, it's an easy choice after he drives both.

Yadkin 11-25-2012 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shortdustoff (Post 714951)
...There are a lot of threads discussing this with many a heated debate. ...

As predicted, here comes the emotional arguments...

JTS97Z28 11-25-2012 08:39 AM

Re: V6 Passing Performance
 
I currently own a Overland V6 and recently test drove a V8 again to see if it blew me away. First off let me say the V6 gets the job done, and does respectable on fuel. I average 19mpg without ever touching a highway. Now, I will say that what absolutely kills it is that its tuned for fuel economy. Tranny shift points are bad and because of this it makes for a pretty lame driving experience IMO. The V6 has good passing power, but you gotta push the pedal pretty far down to get the damn thing to downshift for you, and when it finally does its kind of noisy and jolty experience. Compared to my other car where downshifts are seemless and quiet.
With all that said in my comparison to the V8, it does better in the low end and mid range bands because of the extra power. I was pretty surprised though that in all honesty full throttle between the Overland V6 and Overland V8 felt surprisingly similar acceleration wise. I did not notice the V8 pull much if anymore at full throttle. It's the lower end and mid bands where the V8 is better (although not insanely different). If I had to do it again I would buy the V8, but obviously for that added power it's gonna cost you up front and at the pump.

So to answer your question, the V6 does have good passing power for such a heavy vehicle, but you really gotta push the pedal down far to do it, and it's not really a smooth or quiet process.

Hope this helps.


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