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adams73bu 11-29-2012 01:05 PM

need help on decision for new jeep!
 
new to forum.. going to buy a new cherokee.. lease actually then want to buy out later (to keep payments down its second vehicle) anyway.. seems local dealers here in Pa having trouble selling hemis.. willing to put big discounts on laredo x's w/ hemi to get them out the door.. my quandary.. to go after this deal now when I can get one with tons of options for fairly cheap price with the discount.. or wait for the diesel which dealer tells me they expect in Jan. sometime. Im sure the diesel discounts will be minimum but its cool and great mileage. Is the performance really comparable or will the hemi beat it easily.. I do like power. And should I wait for the cool diesel and pay a premium, or get the hemi now with more options for probably the same price. Fuel isnt a huge concern.. but is nice on long trips to get good mileage my 06 v8 mountaineer Ill be trading on it last year we drove about 4k miles.. basically when we need to carry loads and vacation.. thats about it.. what u all think? decisions decisions..

bill_de 11-29-2012 01:14 PM

Re: need help on decision for new jeep!
 
The diesel will not be available in January.

Nationwide Jeep has $1500 off on V8's on the lower models.

The 2014 will have an 8speed across the line.

Check out the link at the bottom of the page (WK2Jeep) to find more about the 2014.

adams73bu 11-29-2012 01:20 PM

Re: need help on decision for new jeep!
 
dealer here told me as early as Jan.. but even if feb march.. worth waiting for? or take the hemi with the sweet discount?

canis 11-30-2012 10:21 AM

Re: need help on decision for new jeep!
 
Diesel production doesn't even start until late March, so no possible delivery until at least April. There will be a mpg benefit, but that is balanced by the cost of diesel in your area relative to premium, and whatever price gap there may be for the diesel. Then you need to apply your own personal value to the "cool" factor. From there it's just a numbers game of hemi or diesel.

SnoFire 11-30-2012 10:34 AM

Re: need help on decision for new jeep!
 
I agree, you probably won't see a CRD for sale until April timeframe. We don't know what the MPG will be with the 8spd, only speculation at this point.

You could just lease the Hemi for the 3yrs and when the new 17 redo you could get a new one!

adams73bu 11-30-2012 10:39 AM

Re: need help on decision for new jeep!
 
well the hemi gets 20 mpg and the euro diesel now gets 33 i think? and thats without the 8 spd.. so doubt it would take too long to make up difference in fuel price.. especially since Id never put regular in my hemi anyway if I got that.. how bout performance wise? few reviews I saw on euro models say diesel just as quick to 60 mph or so is that really true? i would think some turbo lag would slow it down a fair amount despite the lower torque curve

SnoFire 11-30-2012 10:50 AM

Re: need help on decision for new jeep!
 
Hemi 20mpg on the highway on a good day. putting higher octane fuel in a vehicle (unless it states it should be premium) is kind of a waste of money. I don't think we can say that the Euro CRD is going get the same or better MPG. All you can do is make the best decision that is right for your situation. If you really want the CRD and can wait for it, then do it. But if you can get a smoking deal on a 12 or 13 hemi, then go that route and get a new remodeled 17... Your call

adams73bu 11-30-2012 10:59 AM

Re: need help on decision for new jeep!
 
kinda thinking at the moment.. set a price I cant say no to on the hemi.. after all a 1500 dollar rebate on hemi and u get it for almost nothing.. add that to the fact theyre having trouble getting rid of them still with rebate and theyre discounting additionally.. if i cant get super deal may wait on the crd.. one thing that worries me a little is what are they going to change on the crd from euro models and will there be any major issues especially once out of warranty.. and if the diesel will really keep up off line with the hemi as they say.. passing im not so worried about know hemis better on top end

ColdCase 11-30-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by adams73bu (Post 717662)
well the hemi gets 20 mpg and the euro diesel now gets 33 i think? and thats without the 8 spd.. so doubt it would take too long to make up difference in fuel price.. especially since Id never put regular in my hemi anyway if I got that.. how bout performance wise? few reviews I saw on euro models say diesel just as quick to 60 mph or so is that really true? i would think some turbo lag would slow it down a fair amount despite the lower torque curve

Diesel here is $3, mid octane gas $2.50. 2.50 at 20 mpg is 12.5 cents per mile, 3 at 33mpg is 9 cents per mile, a difference of 3.5 cents. To recoup the near $5000 additional front end investment you'd have travel 5000/.035 or about 143,000 miles. Much longer if you finance, shorter if you think a diesel would be worth much more than a V8 in 10 years. Much longer if you factor in the significant diesel routine maintenance cost. Then you need to consider the risk of serious problems, you could probably swap in a couple new V8s for the price of fixing a diesel problem.

Just saying that, if you need or want a diesel, wait for it and buy one. From what I've read, those with the CRD love its performance. You can easily rationalize the CRD purchase cost by manipulating the numbers, ignoring certain costs, but it is more likely the diesel will cost you more over the course of say 100,000 miles than the V8 costing more. And there is quite a cost downside to the CRD if you have a serious problems

For example, a diesel injector is $500, where a gas injector is less than $100). A leaky diesel injector will quickly destroy a diesel engine but takes a while longer to hurt a gas engine.

They will have to at lease add emissions control equipment to the ero model, so called piss injection most likely. Another routine maintenance item.

If you want off the line performance in a WK2 regardless of cost, think about a STR8.

Life is short, might as well live it cool :)

SnoFire 11-30-2012 11:04 AM

Re: need help on decision for new jeep!
 
If they are really having problems selling Hemi's at that dealer and really want to sell it, I'd say to start atleast $750-1000 under invoice before the $1500 rebate.

adams73bu 11-30-2012 11:08 AM

Re: need help on decision for new jeep!
 
i highly doubt theyll be charging 5k more for the diesel than the hemi.. if they do that would be an easy decision for me and a bad decision for them.. Id kinda like the hemi.. but an xtra 15 mpg is alot if they keep the price of the engine down.. guess we have to wait to see how they package it.. knowing chrysler ull have to get a limited to get it sorry to say.. I dont mind the limited but dont like all the xtra chrome and prefer the black wood trim of the laredos.. if i cant get an overland with its nicer interior id just as well get a high optioned laredo

adams73bu 11-30-2012 11:15 AM

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its not even just one dealer.. its alot of them here in the greater philly area.. theyre sitting around for awhile while the base 4wd laredos flying out like hot cakes


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