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Guennik 01-07-2013 10:32 PM

New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
Will the new 8.4" JGC uconnect navigation system allow to import pre-planned routes from an USB stick? Like it is possible with the BMW navigation system? Thank you for your response. It is a smaller matter but an important point for my upcoming purchase consideration.

Guennik 01-08-2013 09:06 PM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
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Originally Posted by Guennik (Post 734192)
Will the new 8.4" JGC uconnect navigation system allow to import pre-planned routes from an USB stick? Like it is possible with the BMW navigation system? Thank you for your response. It is a smaller matter but an important point for my upcoming purchase consideration.

Answered it myself and I am writing this for your information.

I wrote to Garmin asking whether the new uconnect 8.4 for the 2014 GC would support this feature. Response:
Thank you for contacting Garmin International. Unfortunately the Garmin navigation in Chrysler's Media Centers will not recognize preplanned routes on a USB flash drive or import them.
This is very disappointing :mad:. In my technical opinion it would have been an easy feature to implement, given that all necessary infrastructure is there already. May be there is no demand seen by Jeep/Garmin, which is however surprising given that for example BMW is investing a lot to make this feature available. May be I am the only one using it that way?

For our recent touring in Europe and Australia we have always preplanned tentative routes, using scenic side roads & tracks and putting many way-points in our navi for a single day's route. For this I have been using the fantastic free "Tyre to Travel" software with its Google Maps interface on my PC, saving routes in the navi's desired format and uploading them into the navi via USB. This worked perfectly with our TomTom handheld, and also with a rented BMW 5GT's built-in navi. In the BMW you can import many preplanned routes via USB into the car's navi.

Garmin's info seems to mean that in order to apply this process in the future I should either
(i) buy a BMW ( I would prefer the GC but may be I should give it a thought), or
(ii) stick my handheld Tom Tom navi to the GC's windscreen above its new built-in 8.4 uconnect system, which you might agree would look ridiculous, or
(iii) try transferring the planned route into the GC uconnect by sitting in the car and punching multiple way-points in each day. However, the present GC navi system only accepts 8 way-points max, and I have no info whether the new one allows for a higher capacity. With the BMW system, I could use 50 way-points or more for a single route.

Would anyone care to share with me how you have managed to plan a route with your present GC navi when for example you wanted to use specific roads & tracks different to what the system would recommend to you normally for traveling from A to B? Or is the Chrysler/Jeep navi really only meant to go from A to B with the route options chosen by the system?

Thank you for a response! :)



Guennik 01-09-2013 06:40 AM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
Found an 8.4 uconnect manual on the web. There may be a work around solution for the PC-based route planning & transfer. It is clumsy but at least it seems to be possible. I have written again to Garmin on this and will report back.

The solution for planning routes on the PC with the free and absolutely excellent 'Tyre to Travel' program ("TTT") and then getting it into the 2014 GC navi could be as follows:
  1. Plan your route in TTT and save it as a .gpx file for the record.
  2. Save it then as a .csv file, which contains the list of way points as set by you in TTT.
  3. Download for free from Garmin their POILoader software Garmin: POI Loader
  4. POILoader can read the .csv file and stores your waypoints as POIs in a .gpi file.
  5. Name this file poi.gpi and store it on a USB stick under the folder GARMIN/POI/.
  6. Insert the USB stick into the 2014 GC USB port.
  7. Import the poi.gpi file, which should store all your waypoints as custom POIs.
  8. Program your route in the uconnect system by adding one POI after the other, thus recreating your original TTT route.
This is a clumsy and time consuming solution. I have suggested to Garmin to contact the uconnect management that the lack of a route import feature (import the Garmin .gpx itinerary route file) is a serious disadvantage to be in the same league as for example BMW.

Hope the above works (have to test it when I have the 2014 GC) and may be help to one or more of my fellow Jeep Garage members.

Milous 01-09-2013 07:11 AM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
I believe the navigation for 2014 will be Harmon...

Guennik 01-09-2013 11:02 AM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
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Originally Posted by Milous (Post 735125)
I believe the navigation for 2014 will be Harmon...

Hi Milous, who should know better than you? Harmon Kardon navigation would surprise me though, because the new uconnect 8.4 manual from Chrysler/Jeep clearly shows the GARMIN software for the navigation part. Always thought that Harmon Kardon was the audio system part only for the upgraded 17 (?) speaker sound system.

This taken from a latest Dodge website:
"The Uconnect Touch 8.4 Navigation Radio offers the latest in entertainment, connectivity and navigation. It includes all the outstanding features found on the Uconnect Touch 8.4 Multimedia Radio and adds an award-winning Garmin® Navigation System with SiriusXM Traffic™ and SiriusXM Travel Link™.
The Garmin® GPS Navigation System includes many cutting edge features. Some key examples include ....."

*sox* 01-09-2013 11:26 AM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
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Originally Posted by Milous (Post 735125)
I believe the navigation for 2014 will be Harmon...


right, its the same from the 2013 Rams.

Guennik 01-09-2013 08:14 PM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
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Originally Posted by Milous (Post 735125)
I believe the navigation for 2014 will be Harmon...

Dear Milous, I googled and indeed the so called uconnect R4 system, which I believe is the one to be installed in the new GC, is manufactured by Harman Kardon. Question is which navigation software does it use? Is it Garmin software like stated in the attached manual, or a Harman Kardon proprietary software? Any chance you could clarify? In parallel I will place the question to Garmin, who have been very responsive.

carlosmp 01-10-2013 11:48 AM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
I test drove a 2013 Ram a few days ago and me navigation was fantastic! I liked it better than my current garmin.

Guennik 01-10-2013 09:37 PM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
Got the following info from Garmin:
Chrysler has several different Media Centers they can install in their vehicles. We provide the navigation in the Chrysler Media Center 430N RHB and the Chrysler Media Center 8.4N/RB5. .... There are other media centers with different companies providing navigation. You would have to contact Chrysler for any information on the other media centers and to find out who provides the navigation.
In a recent Chrysler news release I found the following comment:
HARMAN engineers worked with Chrysler teams to design the latest Uconnect 8.4A and 8.4AN systems, premiering on several 2013 Chrysler vehicles. .... Uconnect 8.4A and 8.4AN are on the market now in the 2013 Ram 1500 and will be available soon in the 2013 SRT Viper.
Therefore, based on Garmin's comment (8.4N/RB5) and the press release (8.4AN) and if the Ram 1500 system is what we may see in the 2014 GC, indeed Garmin may not be the navigation provider. :(



Well, hope whatever is in the box is better or at least as good as Garmin. I know Garmin but have never heard of or used a Harman navigation, at least not knowingly.

[Edit 1: Actually I did. Harman is also providing the nav system for BMW and it is superb.]
[Edit 2: Milous has clarified that the GC is getting the Harman navigation.]

kjohnson913 08-17-2013 09:01 PM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
I have a new 2014 Summit 4x4 V8 and it has the 8.4AN System. It seems awesome to me. The way it integrates with the Sirius Xm traffic stuff is amazing.

One thing though, the alerts for a traffic jam or something don't take into account you destination...so sometimes it gets you all worried about something that is happening on the road you are on, but your route gets you off that road before the issue.

Love the speed limit feature.

pomdave 09-04-2013 12:14 AM

Re: New 2014 8.4" Navigation System
 
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Originally Posted by kjohnson913 (Post 877967)
I have a new 2014 Summit 4x4 V8 and it has the 8.4AN System. It seems awesome to me. The way it integrates with the Sirius Xm traffic stuff is amazing.

One thing though, the alerts for a traffic jam or something don't take into account you destination...so sometimes it gets you all worried about something that is happening on the road you are on, but your route gets you off that road before the issue.

Love the speed limit feature.

Regarding the speed limit feature:
Does anyone know if it is possible to enable the speed limit announcements whilst having the route guidance announcments disabled?

For me turning off the route guidance announcments seems to shut her up completely, this seems a little odd as they are seperate configurable items that are configured from different menus.

I'd like to just recieve visual notifications for my route but still have an audible announcment when exceeding the speed limit by the predetermined amount.

thanks.

gigi_boy_156 09-04-2013 01:17 AM

I tested to upload customized POIs via PoiLoader from Garmin by USB drive and CD.

No chance to get them in the Navigation!

I'm very disapointed since in my last Car (Citroën C5 also with a HK-Navigation) it was no problem to do that, and that Car was from 2010!

It would be very cool, when this feature would be available in one of the next Updates.

-Gigi


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