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JWIN 02-10-2013 10:11 PM

Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
I am trying to find out what the easiest, most "cost effective" way to upgrade my JGC audio system would be. I already have a JL Audio Stealth box and amp for the sub and that made a huge difference, but I do not have a budget for new Components speakers and an amplifier for an install.

There has to be a way to just upgrade the speakers or the tweeters to give better clarity to music. What about the speaker in that dash? Will upgrading that do any good?

Bottom line is, I spent all m money on the new sub and amp and the wife won't let me throw down any more "large sums" of money. Can you help a guy out with ideas please???

FAUEE 02-10-2013 11:54 PM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
If you want better clarity in your music, you need to start with a clearer source.

Truthfully, I think you need to determine what you mean by "better clarity". The OEM Alpine system doesn't have any noticeable distortions (save the a2dp that Chrysler apparently can't figure out how to get to work without distortion, unlike everyone else). Are you looking for more vocals, more bass, more midrange?

The best thing I can recommend for a budget would be to adjust the stereo to your liking, and improve the quality sources you're using. I try to use nothing less than 320kbps MP3s, with a few 192kbps or VBR tracks when I have to. The sources will determine the clarity you get more than anything else.

Outside of that, maybe a JBL MS-8? Maybe a new, quieter set of tires?

Schweibs 02-11-2013 08:04 AM

I agree starting with a clearer source is very important. Check out the 2013 Pioneer AVH-X models, I have the X1500 and I love it.

1stJeepGC 02-11-2013 08:13 AM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JWIN (Post 757782)
Can you help a guy out with ideas please???

Greetings and welcome,

The best idea right now is to save your money and wait to the end of the year sales. This way you can get a quality amp and speakers for the next phase of your upgrade and still keep money in the bank.

If you are do wish to upgrade anything right now based on the current setup, I would just change out the 6x9 in the front door and keep the existing tweeter. Change it to one of the 6 inch sizes. Or, if you do find a terrific sale then change out the tweeter as well. This way for the time being let the factory Alpine system will provide the crossover and power. Let the Stealthbox handle the low end and the new speaker give you the detail midrange sounds.

You can look at Parts-express.com or Madisound.com for 6 inch speakers. These companies sell raw drivers and kits from the major speaker manufacturers in both home and car audio. Both of the staffs are great to deal with.

Madisound Speaker Components: distributor of loudspeaker drivers and parts for speaker builders.

Parts Express: the #1 source for audio, video & speaker building components

Best for now.:)

1stJeepGC 02-11-2013 08:26 AM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Schweibs (Post 757943)
I agree starting with a clearer source is very important. Check out the 2013 Pioneer AVH-X models, I have the X1500 and I love it.

Greetings,

Pioneer did a great job in updating the 2013 AVH-X units. They finally listen to their customer base like they used too. From what understanding now, the external navi gps unit is more in line with rest of competition. I believe they are using IGO Primo or another smartphone app software developer.

Best for now.:)

Jrunr 02-11-2013 10:22 AM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stJeepGC (Post 757947)
Greetings and welcome,

The best idea right now is to save your money and wait to the end of the year sales. This way you can get a quality amp and speakers for the next phase of your upgrade and still keep money in the bank.

If you are do wish to upgrade anything right now based on the current setup, I would just change out the 6x9 in the front door and keep the existing tweeter. Change it to one of the 6 inch sizes. Or, if you do find a terrific sale then change out the tweeter as well. This way for the time being let the factory Alpine system will provide the crossover and power. Let the Stealthbox handle the low end and the new speaker give you the detail midrange sounds.

You can look at Parts-express.com or Madisound.com for 6 inch speakers. These companies sell raw drivers and kits from the major speaker manufacturers in both home and car audio. Both of the staffs are great to deal with.

Madisound Speaker Components: distributor of loudspeaker drivers and parts for speaker builders.

Parts Express: the #1 source for audio, video & speaker building components

Best for now.:)

I think this is the first time I have seen/heard anyone recommend using a 6X9 replacement in the doors. I know thats the factory size, but will anything even work with the Alpine factory HU? Sounds like an interesting idea... (I never thought the stock HU could power any aftermarket speakers)

I am also going to agree with the recmmendation of waiting until you can afford separate components. They are so nice when set up properly!

1stJeepGC 02-11-2013 07:41 PM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jrunr (Post 757986)
I think this is the first time I have seen/heard anyone recommend using a 6X9 replacement in the doors. I know thats the factory size, but will anything even work with the Alpine factory HU? Sounds like an interesting idea... (I never thought the stock HU could power any aftermarket speakers)

I am also going to agree with the recmmendation of waiting until you can afford separate components. They are so nice when set up properly!

Greetings,

I recommended to replace the 6x9 with a 6, 6.5 or a 6 3/4 inch speaker. Also if you do like the sound of 6x9 for mid-bass, I strongly suggest looking into Massive Audio's CK 69X component speaker. They are using excellent passive crossover network and top of the line silk tweeter.

Massive Audio CK 69X - Component Massive Audio

In general, a factory amp usually does not have the power to drive an aftermarket speaker. The key specification to look for is the "Sensitivity Rating" of the speaker. The higher the number is, the less power the speaker needs to push. Therefore, in this case the factory amp would give it a decent sound until the amps are upgraded. The Massive Audio 6x9 which I referenced just before is up rated at 92.4 db. Focal drivers are general around 93 db. This whole subject gets into a long technical discussion between wattage and db.

Check out the Eminence 6.5 speaker, the rating is 93.4. So you can imagine latter on when you add real power to it. Eminence makes so of the best woofers and mid bass drivers for pro and home audio.

Eminence Eminator 1506 6-1/2" High Power Car Midrange 8 Ohm 290-700

This speaker from Scan-speak I would for sure need to use a amp on it, even if the rating was 90 db. Scan-speak make some of the best audiophile speakers for car and home audio.

The Madisound Speaker Store

Oh boy, can car audio break the bank. What is that saying? Patience is a must.

Best for now.:)

bill_de 02-11-2013 07:49 PM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JWIN (Post 757782)
... the wife won't let me throw down any more "large sums" of money.

Kiss your wife ... she is a very smart woman. :D

Hoguie7 02-11-2013 08:11 PM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
Don't get me wrong, but, I've dumped just the 6x9 on the front doors and installed a set of 6x9 Lanzar subs in substitution and let me tell you, it sounds SUPER AWESOME! Sky to earth difference. I bought them about three years ago, planning to use them on my Ram 1500, but never did. More than glad I get them in to my Limited. I will never regret it! Believe me!

JWIN 02-11-2013 08:27 PM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1stJeepGC (Post 758232)
Greetings,

I recommended to replace the 6x9 with a 6, 6.5 or a 6 3/4 inch speaker. Also if you do like the sound of 6x9 for mid-bass, I strongly suggest looking into Massive Audio's CK 69X component speaker. They are using excellent passive crossover network and top of the line silk tweeter.

Massive Audio CK 69X - Component Massive Audio

In general, a factory amp usually does not have the power to drive an aftermarket speaker. The key specification to look for is the "Sensitivity Rating" of the speaker. The higher the number is, the less power the speaker needs to push. Therefore, in this case the factory amp would give it a decent sound until the amps are upgraded. The Massive Audio 6x9 which I referenced just before is up rated at 92.4 db. Focal drivers are general around 93 db. This whole subject gets into a long technical discussion between wattage and db.

Check out the Eminence 6.5 speaker, the rating is 93.4. So you can imagine latter on when you add real power to it. Eminence makes so of the best woofers and mid bass drivers for pro and home audio.

Eminence Eminator 1506 6-1/2" High Power Car Midrange 8 Ohm 290-700

This speaker from Scan-speak I would for sure need to use a amp on it, even if the rating was 90 db. Scan-speak make some of the best audiophile speakers for car and home audio.

The Madisound Speaker Store

Oh boy, can car audio break the bank. What is that saying? Patience is a must.

Best for now.:)

I thought that MOPAR had a Kicker speaker upgrade. I remember seeing it in the catalog so thats why I thought I could just upgrade the speakers with others that drop in.

WHat about the speaker on the dash? I think I read here that it is a 3.5" speaker. Will that be one I should upgrade?

1stJeepGC 02-11-2013 08:36 PM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoguie7 (Post 758255)
Don't get me wrong, but, I've dumped just the 6x9 on the front doors and installed a set of 6x9 Lanzar subs in substitution and let me tell you, it sounds SUPER AWESOME! Sky to earth difference. I bought them about three years ago, planning to use them on my Ram 1500, but never did. More than glad I get them in to my Limited. I will never regret it! Believe me!

Greetings,

I believe you. Speakers are the hardest thing to recommend to anybody. Each of has their own way of listening to music and how it sounds. For me, i like a mid-bass speaker that gives me that punch with the sub going down low. The tweeter, I am still love the smooth sound of of the silk tweeter.

Best for now.:)

1stJeepGC 02-12-2013 05:51 PM

Re: Most cost effective Audio Upgrade for 2012 Overland?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JWIN (Post 758268)
WHat about the speaker on the dash? I think I read here that it is a 3.5" speaker. Will that be one I should upgrade?

Greetings,

Yes, the center dash speaker is a 3.5. Since you want to do this in phases as money comes in, my recommendation is once you upgrade your front speakers, see how the existing center sounds. If you decide to go with a higher end or audiophile speaker, then best thing is to change it at the same time.

In general, with music for a center channel speaker, you want more of midrange speaker that goes over 10,000 hz (cycles). This way, the vocal and instruments in that range are present. The other opinion that many have is to use a full range or coaxial speaker for the center. IMO, I find the tweeter section of the full range or coaxial is too much of a car front stage (sound). The tweeters in the doors work perfectly in that situation. If you going to watch movies in the car or listen a lot special effect music, then a full range speaker or coaxial works when you have an aftermarket processor (ie: Alpine PXA-H800 $$$) that has the ability to decode that information. Remember, each person has their own taste of music and how it sounds to them.

For example, if went with Scan-Speak, I would get a 3 or 3.5 from them. The same sources for speakers I gave me before is also an excellent source.

And do not forget to buy something for the wife.:thumbsup:

Best for now.:)


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