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Vanguard 02-15-2013 03:30 PM

Is the Diesel worth it?
4500 premium

The loom in the back of your head that the DPF and intake manifold/EGR will have to be replaced one day due to soot buildup... Both costing thousands on thousands of $$$ if out of warranty...which they will be since it happens after a good 6 years for them to clog.

Horrible gas mileage during regen worse than the SRT.

Im a bit jaded. I used to live in europe when I went to medical school and had 2 cars have these problems...One needed a new DPF and the other needed a new Intake manifold and EGR valve. Both around 100K KM so about 60K miles.

I don't know...

Aiyer 02-15-2013 03:34 PM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
I have no expert on diesel, but did you read this thread?

rakeshsamual1 02-28-2013 04:02 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
Thanks for ur information AIYER : it will help me to select right car...!@!!!

Husker4theSpurs 02-28-2013 06:39 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
While I do have concerns I have determined it is worth it or at least have decided to order the diesel and find out if it's worth it. Performance wise it seems to be a nice compromise between the V-6 and V-8 ... Add in the great fuel economy and my decision is made. I also appreciate the lower overall emissions and the fact I'll be able to run B20 biodiesel if I choose in the warmer months.

Cost isn't really my concern right now ... I am choosing it mostly just because I want it. Diesel is 28 cents more expensive than the gas i generally purchase, but i do also believe gas is overall on an upward trend and generally the spread is even less in the summer. Do i have concerns? Yes - mostly the DPF and cold weather performance, but I have decided to purchase the diesel anyhow. If I'm honest with myself i generally dont keep cars longer than 3 years anyhow. My dad always used to say of diesel "Everyone has to have one once I suppose (meaning before they learn their lesson)" so i guess I'll see if he was right :)

SnoFire 02-28-2013 06:53 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
From what I have read, you will need to change the UREA fluid every 10,000 miles but they want you to change the engine oil not at the same time. Urea is around $100. I believe this was on ALLPAR.COM

hades281 02-28-2013 07:10 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
About the urea -- there is nothing to 'change,' you just have to top off the tank periodically. The tank is sized to need a refill around 10k miles. You can buy the stuff at truck stops and other places for just a few dollars.

As far as things clogging and parts replacements I think it's just too early to tell. Yeah it's been out since 2011 but there don't seem to be a lot of high mileage examples yet. The Pentastar engine is new too but Chryco has built tons of them, used them everywhere -- pretty much bet the farm on it.

Red G8R 02-28-2013 07:18 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
"Worth it" is all relative. Are many options worth it? No one can answer that except yourself.
I think the diesel is worth it and the way of the future for SUVs.

loveracing1988 02-28-2013 07:52 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?

Originally Posted by SnoFire (Post 769584)
From what I have read, you will need to change the UREA fluid every 10,000 miles but they want you to change the engine oil not at the same time. Urea is around $100. I believe this was on ALLPAR.COM

From what I have read the oil change interval and the Urea add interval were supposed to coincide at the 10k mark, you can buy it at walmart by me also.

padgett 02-28-2013 07:58 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
The owner's group for my little RV has been going since the '80s and some have in excess of 300,000 miles (RVs are different). The only real complaint was that it was designed for a 3 liter diesel and when the change went to a 2.4 TD (BMW and same as the '84 Lincoln) it really needed a lower first gear.

The key to longetivity is to never let it overheat or lug. And despite being two generations back & only 115 hp I do not hold up traffic & cruises at 70. Truck stop scale says 6300 lbs.

Of course it came out just as Caddys were littering the Interstates so company did not make it out of the '80s despite converting to a gas 3800.

I agree that diesels make more sense from an engineering standpoint despite both the fed's regs and US public opinion and for most of the same reasons as used in boats and trucks. Before now the holdbacks were mainly scale and tradition. The first is solved.

That said I think i"ll keep my '12 at least until a diesel Laredo is available.

hades281 02-28-2013 08:59 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
I'm in the same boat here in trying to decide between V6 and CRD.... I think the CRD overall on paper is the more sensible engine for the application but there is so much going against:

1) Initial cost
2) Increased complexity overall vs. gas (turbo, filtration, urea, exhaust, etc -- only plus being no ignition system)
3) Increased repair costs - Diesel repairs, when needed seem to cost a lot more
4) Real-world longterm durability? I've met several people who have had Duramax and 6.0 Powerstroke problems so not all diesels are reliable just because they're diesel. I'm glad the engine isn't new for 2013 but there aren't many high mileage examples yet.
5) I expect handling to be worse due to 500 lb weight gain over the V6 in the front end.

On someone else's dime (or a lease!) the CRD is probably a no brainer but the Pentastar seems to be holding up well and the longevity of that engine must be a corporate priority given its usage across the entire corporation.

visitador 02-28-2013 09:10 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
I think it is worth it if you are thinking of ordering the V8 anyway. The price differentiation versus the V6 may make it a greater challenge.

Lets remember that this engine has already been used in countries outside the U.S. So far, I have read great reviews from those owners.

Also, it depends on the price differentiation of gasoline vs diesel in the area where you live. Here in California, mid grade for the V8 is reaching $4.10 a gallon. Diesel is $4.40. The added cost is not as great, compared with the mpg. I can see in other parts of the country where the difference is a lot greater.

bill_de 02-28-2013 09:37 AM

Re: Is the Diesel worth it?
I usually don't keep a vehicle longer than it's bumper to bumper warranty. In the past if I had a car I really liked ('76 Monte w/400 4bbl was 1) I knew I could do whatever was necessary to keep it running.

Today, diesel or not, I wouldn't keep a car for any length of time without an extended warranty.

I'm just thinking, IMHO, that cost of future repairs shouldn't be a factor, because either way you should have a warranty.

Now, the initial cost and possible higher price of a warranty is another story.


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