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Yadkin 02-21-2013 08:23 PM

O2 Sensors and MPGs
Well I've had my Jeep for about 13 months now and put about 25,000 miles on it. It's been a pleasure not to pay over $75/ week filling up like my last gas hog.

In my first 6 months or so I would routinely get well over 25 on long highway trips. On local two-lanes with few stops and minor elevation changes I'd get up to 27.

However over this past winter I've noticed my MPGs are not what they used to be. Now I seem to be getting less than on long trips, not even hitting 23. I'm wondering if it's simply due to winter conditions or are my O2 sensors not up to snuff. Most of my trips have been on dry roads, so I'm not factoring in snow-trips when I dial it into snow mode.

No codes present, and the engine runs just as smoothly as it always have.

jd2012jgc 02-22-2013 11:59 AM

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I typically see a 20% or so reduction in mileage in the winter.

1. Winter gas. More additives etc. equals less BTU's equals lower mileage.
2. Winter tires. Softer compound equals more rolling resistance equals lower mileage.

oldjeeper 02-22-2013 06:40 PM

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X2 on winter gas even worse with winter diesel

padgett 02-22-2013 08:32 PM

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Snow/slush on the road also adds drag as do extended warmups.

Just guessing though, we do not have that here.

stashgto 02-22-2013 10:19 PM

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I also have the problem which I think most do right now because of all of the above reasons.

The Evil Twin 02-23-2013 07:21 AM

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I'll 2nd or 3rd the gas formulation. Ethanol content can be to blame as well. Even though it has not been terribly cold in the Mid-Atlantic, cars use more in the winter. Colder air is more dense. Thus, additional fuel is added to the mix to keep the A/F ratio correct.

Yadkin 02-23-2013 10:11 AM

Dense air doesn't make sense to me. I'd just be using less throttle for s given power output.

ChuckinMA 02-24-2013 05:23 AM

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I think the biggest contributor is the increased use of ethanol in the winter blends which generates less energy than "pure" gasoline.

The Evil Twin 02-24-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Yadkin (Post 766011)
Dense air doesn't make sense to me. I'd just be using less throttle for s given power output.

Air density is the mass of air in a given volume. It is dependent on temperature and pressure. Lower density means less oxygen available for combustion, higher density beans more oxygen is available (per given volume). Much like adding a supercharger; more fuel is added to maintain the optimum A/F ratio. The reverse happens at higher altitudes.
Your throttle input isn't controlling the ratio. The ECU makes that decision based on temp, intake pressure, load, etc. and adjusts injector duration accordingly.

Yadkin 02-24-2013 11:50 AM

Yes I understand thermodynamics. That's why colder air results in a smaller throttle opening for a given power output. You burn the same mass of O2. Now if the partial pressure varied with temperature you'd have a point.

Clunk 03-02-2013 12:19 PM

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Spend time & fuel warming it up before driving?

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