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paymaster 02-25-2013 09:35 AM

towing
 
Hello Everyone, I'm new here and would like some of your opinion on towing.
I have a 26 foot enclosed trailer of which I tow a mustang Cobra around. I think the traiter and car weigh in at 10,000Lb.? I had a 2001 F150 but the trans was going and it seem to not to want to tow. Anyway I didn't want a truck so I got a 2013 Jeep grand chareeke 4X4 5.7L with the tow group. She tow around town like it isn't there. I tow on week ends about 100 miles one way. I'm thinking about getting a 2014 Jeep GC diesel, for better Highway pulling.I know I am well over the 7200 towing. What do you Think? I only have 1400 miles on the Jeep but towing I get 8 mpg.

Chivvalry 02-25-2013 10:03 AM

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I think the diesel would get you much better mileage but you are waaay over the limit. I, for one, certainly wouldn't 'recommend' that you do that. If you intend to continue then be really careful.

SnoFire 02-25-2013 10:42 AM

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Go to a vehicle accessory store and see about getting a higher class hitch put on your vehicle. If not over tongue weight, that would break off but if over the towing capacity then you might bend/break stuff on the vehicle. Might need something more on the frame than just the bumper.

Gus9890 02-26-2013 04:28 PM

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Welcome to Jeep Garage!!

paymaster 02-27-2013 06:37 PM

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I have taken a little more time looking over every thing and I'm lonely about 8'000lb.
Still think of a Diesel. Even the 8 speed would be more help?

RageOfFury 02-27-2013 07:03 PM

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Welcome!

Even at 8000lbs, I wouldn't recommend a Grand Cherokee, whether it be Diesel or Hemi, to tow such a load. It's well beyond what the Grand Cherokee can safely and legally tow.

You need a 1/2 ton truck to pull that sort of load. The new 2013 RAM 1500 would fit the bill.

FAUEE 02-27-2013 09:04 PM

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I don't think you're going to see much of an improvement in fuel economy when you're towing the equivalent of 2 more Grand Cherokees behind you. It's just a LOT of weight, especially if you're going to a less powerful engine.

paymaster 02-28-2013 08:21 AM

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The Ram 1500 is rated 7150, where as my Jeep is rated at 7200.I have everything you can put on her for towing. I'm not worried about the towing it's the gas? 8 MPG when towing!

Chivvalry 02-28-2013 08:24 AM

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I truly think the diesel will get you significantly better gas mileage than the hemi when towing. I do not know what percentage though.

loveracing1988 02-28-2013 08:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paymaster (Post 769607)
The Ram 1500 is rated 7150, where as my Jeep is rated at 7200.I have everything you can put on her for towing. I'm not worried about the towing it's the gas? 8 MPG when towing!

Point blank, there are tow ratings for a reason. The dodge ram would town 8,000 pounds better than the grand Cherokee because of the full frame and longer wheel base, towing isn't rated that low for the hemi, the number you found must have been for the 3.6, if that is the tow rating for the hemi they are a good 3k under their competitors. If you want to tow that much and get decent mileage you have to get a diesel, plain and simple, with that much weight you are looking at a 2500 HD if you are going to be towing it often, will a half ton do it, sure, will a grand cherokee do it? Sure (Not legally of course, if you happen to get into a accident towing that much weight and the other party finds out their lawyers would have a field day)
Long story short, if 8,000 pounds is what your looking to pull, don't get a grand cherokee.

myoung84 02-28-2013 10:33 AM

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No way I would pull that much weight with a Grand Cherokee. Talk about tail wagging the dog. For 10k lbs, you need to be in a 2500 and if you don't like single digit fuel mileage, it needs to be a diesel. The Cummins is an awesome engine in the Rams and would pull that load without breaking a sweat.

Yes, some 1500 trucks can do it, but it's still too much IMO if you tow on a regular basis. I had a 2010 Ram 1500 Hemi and it was rated for 10,450 lbs, but there's no way in hell I would put that much weight behind it. I now have a Power Wagon (Ram 2500 with the Hemi) and they are built to work. Gas mileage still sucks, but the frame, suspension, and brakes are made for this kind of weight.

Also keep in mind that the tow ratings that are published include a single 150 lb driver and nothing else. You must deduct the weight of each passenger, the driver's weight over 150 lbs, and any cargo that you have in the Jeep. That 7200 lb tow rating can quickly get down to 6500 lbs in a hurry.

And good luck with your insurance company covering any type of accident if they find out you were over your tow rating...

FAUEE 02-28-2013 06:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chivvalry (Post 769610)
I truly think the diesel will get you significantly better gas mileage than the hemi when towing. I do not know what percentage though.

I don't.

Modern diesels get great fuel economy when they're out of boost and are using less gas to reach the right mixture with air (since they're taking in less air). When pulling 10,000 pounds, the CRD will be in boost, taking in a lot more air, and using a lot more fuel to boot. Plus it's a significantly less powerful engine, and towing that much you're not going to be able to sit in overdrive and amble along at 2000rpm or something, you're going to need to be down a few gears and out of overdrive.

I'm with the others here, you need a bigger vehicle to tow that sort of load. A heavy duty truck to be precise, since they don't make the heavy Duty Suburbans or Excursions anymore.


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