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torque-head 03-26-2013 08:54 PM

Wk RC lift what Rim offset size
 
Hey guys, I been reading for hours now trying to find out with my setup listed below what should be the correct rim offset? I would rather not run spacers

07 overland Hemi
2"ish RC lift
I want to run 275/70/17 Cooper Discovery ATP

Lucas J 03-27-2013 08:11 PM

Re: Wk RC lift what Rim offset size
 
I have 6mm offset on my Mambas and do not need to run any spacers.

torque-head 03-27-2013 08:19 PM

I might be confused on terms here. Is offset and backspacing the same? If u offset by 6mm, that means the wheels r pushed out by 6mm correct?

Lucas J 03-27-2013 08:33 PM

Re: Wk RC lift what Rim offset size
 
No they are different. For example an 8" wheel with a 6mm offset has a 4.75" backspace.

Offset is from center line of the wheel +/-, back space is from the back of the wheel.

Lucas J 03-27-2013 08:35 PM

Re: Wk RC lift what Rim offset size
 
Maybe these will help you out. I know it can be confusing.

http://www.4crawler.com/Diesel/Image...Conversion.jpg

http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/599756.jpg

Lucas J 03-27-2013 08:44 PM

Re: Wk RC lift what Rim offset size
 
here is another good explanation I copied and pasted from another forum.

Offset Explained

The offset of a wheel is measured in millimeters and is determined by the distance from where the wheel mounts to the hub to the centerline of the wheel. The centerline of the wheel is the center of the wheel if it is being viewed from the rim side of the wheel (the part the tire stretches across), not the face of the wheel.


Zero Offset

If a wheel has a zero offset, then the hub mounting surface is even with the wheel's centerline.

In English translation [jeeperaf] the centerline of your tire is theoretically centered over the vertical axis of your hub's mounting surface. Therefore, a rim with 4.75" backspacing and 0mm offset would ride with a tire's centerline that is also 4.75" from the rim's inner lip. Positive and negative offset have the effect of providing a given backspacing while then moving the centerline to a position that mimics pure x" backspacing with 0mm offset as shown below.


Positive Offset

In a positive offset wheel, the hub mounting surface is toward the outside of the wheel. In effect, this makes the wheel fit closer under the wheel arch, rather than stick out. Positive offset wheels are commonly found on front-drive cars, though recent rear-drive cars have begun using them.

In English translation [jeeperaf] the centerline of your tire is theoretically centered inside of the vertical axis of your hub's mounting surface, and this is where it gets a little counter intuitive. If you had a rim with 4.75" backspacing and +6mm (~.25") offset, the tire's centerline is riding .25" closer to the brake drum and sitting closer inside the wheel arch. Or in other words, the above measurement equals the exact same place relative to your vehicles brake drum and wheel arch as if you had a rim that with 5" backspacing and 0mm offset.


Negative Offset

If a wheel has a negative offset, then the mounting surface is closer to the inside of the wheel and closer to the brakes and suspension. This has the affect of pushing the wheel away from the car. Deep dish wheels, which feature a deep lip, are usually negative offset.

In English translation [jeeperaf] the centerline of your tire is theoretically centered outside of the vertical axis of your hub's mounting surface, and this continues to be counter intuitive. If you had a rim with 4.75" backspacing and -6mm (~.25") offset, the tire's centerline is riding .25" farther from the brake drum and sitting farther outside the wheel arch. Or in other words, the above measurement equals the exact same place relative to your vehicles brake drum and wheel arch as if you had a rim that with 4.5" backspacing and 0mm offset.


How Does Wheel Offset a Car?

A car's wheel offset is specifically designed by the engineers who design the car to work with the type of car it is, the kind of performance it delivers and the way it is intended to be driven. If the wrong offset wheel is used, a car's handling can be adversely affected. The wrong offset wheel can also put undue stress on wheel bearings. Suspension components will also experience more stress, occasionally causing them to break. This is most likely to happen when a positive offset wheel is replaced by a wheel with a strong offset that moves the wheel further outward from the suspension than it should be. It should be noted that this is rare occurrence.

In English translation [jeeperaf] let's take an extreme example to show you the "lengthening of the beam effect" of your entire axle relative to your hub mounting surface and tire centerline and the role they play as weight supporting points (like columns and I-beams in a building).

Same 4.75" backspacing with 0mm offset. Now take a 2" spacer and put that between your hub and wheel. This would create an effect whereby your hub mounting surface moves inside the centerline by 2" and creates a negative offset of a substantial -48mm. By doing this, you've extended the centerline of your wheel out fairly far (and the weight bearing effects of gravity on the axle "beam"). In other words, you had a given length of a support beam between two columns, and now you've just lengthened that beam without thickening it...at some point it will sag in the middle under the stress.

This is a major reason why you need to strengthen your C-arms and axle housing as you move to bigger and wider tires (not to mention heavier) that require either less backspacing with 0 offset or deeper backspacing but compensate with negative offset in order to clear any rubbing issues full lock turn to full lock turn.


Measuring Wheel Offset

Calculating wheel offset requires the wheel backspace, wheel width and wheel width. If the distance from the hub mounting surface to the inner edge of the wheel is less than the wheel centerline, the wheel is a negative offset. If the distance is greater, the wheel is a positive offset.

torque-head 03-27-2013 08:50 PM

Thanks for the links... the second one helps. I dont understand the first one. What do the values mean? Is that in offset

Lucas J 03-27-2013 09:01 PM

Re: Wk RC lift what Rim offset size
 
Correct. That is the offset.

torque-head 03-27-2013 09:14 PM

Thanks Lucas... i should b able to figure it out now. I'll post pics and finial rim specs


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