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ALPINEST4RS 04-23-2013 12:32 PM

Best wax over sealant??
 
Hey all,

I have been an avid detailer on the side. Currently I do a 3 step process.

Prep clear with vinegar and water (old trick I learned)
Use "beyond clay" with cyclo wheel (yellow pads)
Use cyclo 1pass (with green and white pad)

info on the buffer here.. Cyclo Toolmakers

what is a good wax to go over the sealer (1pass) with? I've used zaino, meguairs, liquid glass (teflon version (cannot get in stores)) Liquid Glass Legend from ShopMPT.com

303 to blacken fenderwells and any plastic and rubber 303 Aerospace Protectant 32oz

beyond clay Surf City Garage "by far the best clay treatment ive even used.

1pass Cyclo Pro Paint Care

in between waxes "liquid ice" Liquid Ice Clean-Up Detailer Spray



for a clear wax, im thinking of trying either..

Pinnacle Souveran Paste Carnauba Wax is Brilliant on Red- Awesome on Black! Souvern is hand poured, one container at a time, and boxed with an

or

Wolfgang Fuzion Estate Car Wax contains real carnauba wax and paint sealant polymers to protect paint. ultimate show car wax, auto wax, paste wax,

yeah i know the price jump is huge between the two, but i use a 14$ material for cleaning the clear (beyond clay)

anybody use the pinnacle or the wolfgang?

I own the metal sealant already (wolfgang) and it is the best stuff i've ever owned. blows flitz out of the water..

let me know!! Thanks! I'll put some glamour shots of the jeep when the detail is finally done.

mdest723 05-01-2013 09:28 PM

Re: Best wax over sealant??
 
Great list of products! I use the Pinnacle Souveran over the top
of Jet Seal 109 for our darker colored cars. Pinnacle Souveran is really nice stuff. Easy to apply, hand polishes with MF cloth so well (no real need for a buffer). It also gets some pretty good reviews on Amazon (that is why I spend the $$ for it!).

I have never used the Wolfgang, so I can't compare.

ALPINEST4RS 05-02-2013 07:24 AM

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I ended up getting the wolfgang and it is awesome. Easy to apply and easy to take off. Its really worth the money. The metallic in the paint just pops. I did another application and the shine got even deeper. (I think it has to do with the carnuba) I think for a paint sealer i'm switching it up to either wolfgang sealer 3.0 or the pinnacle twins. (pack on autogeek)

Realistic Detailer 12-22-2013 11:26 AM

Re: Best wax over sealant??
 
I'm confused, what would be a reason to put wax over a sealant? This logic makes about sense to me as putting a screen door on a submarine. A real sealant is designed not to let things bond to it, so what benefit would applying wax over it offer exactly?

I hear this logic all the time on forums, and scratch my head in amazement.Wax is basically grease that offers a short term shine. It provides no real protection against anything really.Synthetic wax, or polymers added to wax just allows the wax not to break down from washing as fast.I hear the words durability and protection used for wax and poly sealants on forums all the time.

Applying many coats of detailing products will NOT stop bad things from attacking your clear coat. It will just trap them in the layers which will harden, and will dull the finish.Look on forums, and you will see correction detailers who spend 150 hours removing swirl marks from a brand new Bentley, and no one finds that odd.

There is no wax that is any different from the million others out there. If you use any type of wax, then you will have swirls plain and simple.

Correction is not correcting the paint, but just removing this buildup so more wax can be applied. If you are looking for a way to avoid swirl marks then stop using wax, and find a product that does really protect
and is durable.

I will not offer a suggestion here because I do not wish to be called a troll or spammer . I am not a shill, but just sick of hearing all this silly propaganda about the "perfect finish" .

BuckeyeSRT 12-22-2013 05:42 PM

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Why use sealant when something like Collinite #915 lasts as long or longer?
I disagree with you Realistic. wax is not all the same.

Realistic Detailer 12-23-2013 10:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckeyeSRT (Post 949120)
Why use sealant when something like Collinite #915 lasts as long or longer?
I disagree with you Realistic. wax is not all the same.


This tells me all I need to know about Collinite products:


At the basis of all Collinite waxes is pure carnauba wax, imported from Brazil. The founder of Collinite wax, Charles H. Collins, wanted to produce the best quality products made with superior ingredients, regardless of the cost. Quality was paramount and today, Collinite wax products still operate according to that credo.

It is a wax, and it may contain more pure caranuba wax than other waxes.Also, it may contain polymers to resist breakdown from washing, but it is still wax.

Collinite still has to be removed at some time, and correction will be needed to do that to eliminate swirl marks. If you base shine and water beading as what you consider protection and durability actually is, then
you have no clue what a coating, or a sealant really is, or what it does like most people on these forums.

Scottina06 12-23-2013 11:33 AM

Do u have a detailing business or website. I used to be really into detailing. Grew up in my father's detail shop and worked summers there.
I've found two sealants that I like....meguiers #21 and blackfire. Sounds silly...but i like to do a coat of each on my vehicles. Not for more layers of protection...but it almost seems bullet proof....lol. plus it lasts like 3 months.

RI_2014 12-23-2013 07:03 PM

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I put chemical guys second skin on two weeks after I got my jeep.... It has lasted well so far....a quick sealer like chemical guys V07 also helps.... I put it on after every wash....

terpsfan 12-24-2013 06:22 AM

Re: Best wax over sealant??
 
Detailer,

I would really like to hear what you reccommend. I'm all for using something that doesn't create swirl marks from the get go. PLEASE post or PM me with your thoughts............

Realistic Detailer 12-24-2013 10:14 AM

Re: Best wax over sealant??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottina06 (Post 949329)
Do u have a detailing business or website. I used to be really into detailing. Grew up in my father's detail shop and worked summers there.
I've found two sealants that I like....meguiers #21 and blackfire. Sounds silly...but i like to do a coat of each on my vehicles. Not for more layers of protection...but it almost seems bullet proof....lol. plus it lasts like 3 months.


I assume you are asking me the question here, so let me answer it. I am a self taught detailer . I waxed cars for fun when I was younger, but in 1992, I found a product that I still use today. Over the years since then,I have applied this product to aircraft, boats, trucks, and most vehicles out there on the road. I am 58, so I am not detailing for a business any more, but I have a few die hard customers who still call me.

Desert Hiker 12-24-2013 11:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Realistic Detailer (Post 949758)
I assume you are asking me the question here, so let me answer it. I am a self taught detailer . I waxed cars for fun when I was younger, but in 1992, I found a product that I still use today. Over the years since then,I have applied this product to aircraft, boats, trucks, and most vehicles out there on the road. I am 58, so I am not detailing for a business any more, but I have a few die hard customers who still call me.

RD, Pray tell, what product? Curious minds want to know and learn!! Thanks.

Desert Hiker

Realistic Detailer 12-24-2013 03:03 PM

Re: Best wax over sealant??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Desert Hiker (Post 949783)
RD, Pray tell, what product? Curious minds want to know and learn!! Thanks.

Desert Hiker


You would not know this product if I told you, and it is not sold retail. What I am trying to get across here is that putting the equivalent of grease on a clear coat finish to make a vehicle shine and bead for a short time has side consequences that few consider.

This talk of of a "sacrificial barrier" as meaningful is news to me. How can layering coats of polishes, glazes, and waxes which are all greasy in nature and do not bond to anything, but only provide the perfect media to collect bad things like dirt, grime, and salt that dull the shine over time.I have done boat detailing in southern Florida for many years. Ever boat I have seen that has been waxed a lot turns dull and yellows for this very reason. If correction detailers did boats in salt water they might figure this out like I did.

Let's talk about what most clear coat paints are. They are acrylic polyurethanes, so IMO it would make sense to select a protection product that bonds to it, and not just sticks. When a product bonds to a finish it seals the bad things out, and prevents things like bugs from etching the paint.

The object then is to wash the bad things off easily with a soap, and not a shampoo. That cannot be done IMO when these things are trapped in layers of hardened grease.The object is to preserve your clear coat, and not constantly polishing it to control swirl marks.

I have customers who have their vehicles done once a year with me that takes about 3 hours to do. They do it mostly for shine reasons then protection. In most cases, I never need to use a polisher, or compound to do it.They can go thru car washes, and can actually wipe the water off with a towel ,and not fear causing more swirls to occur. To me, this is the "perfect finish".


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