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kjbean07 11-14-2013 09:28 AM

Tire rotation question
 
So I noticed that my Michelin Latitudes are wearing unevenly, despite the fact that I have had them rotated every 9k miles. When I brought it in to the Jeep dealership for an oil change last week, I noticed that both the front and rear passenger side tires were worn the most - they had less tread overall (compared to the drivers side) and were worn a little more on the outside of the tires. Anyway, I had them rotate the tires last week for the 3rd time (I've got about 27k miles on the Jeep) and when I got home, I noticed that the two worn tires were still both on the passenger side. I saw them lift the Jeep and removed the tires, but didn't watch them rotate. I imagine they just did a front to back swap - is this the correct way to do it?? I thought you were supposed to criss-cross them, in an X pattern.. Could this be why my tires have worn unevenly? (I've always had the tires rotated at this dealership). I haven't had the wheels aligned (bought the Jeep new a year ago, probably should have), but I'm a little disappointed in the fact that I'm going to be replacing my tires in the next few weeks, with under 30k miles on them.

jacko15 11-14-2013 10:10 AM

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lstowell 11-14-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kjbean07 (Post 930267)
So I noticed that my Michelin Latitudes are wearing unevenly, despite the fact that I have had them rotated every 9k miles. When I brought it in to the Jeep dealership for an oil change last week, I noticed that both the front and rear passenger side tires were worn the most - they had less tread overall (compared to the drivers side) and were worn a little more on the outside of the tires. Anyway, I had them rotate the tires last week for the 3rd time (I've got about 27k miles on the Jeep) and when I got home, I noticed that the two worn tires were still both on the passenger side. I saw them lift the Jeep and removed the tires, but didn't watch them rotate. I imagine they just did a front to back swap - is this the correct way to do it?? I thought you were supposed to criss-cross them, in an X pattern.. Could this be why my tires have worn unevenly? (I've always had the tires rotated at this dealership). I haven't had the wheels aligned (bought the Jeep new a year ago, probably should have), but I'm a little disappointed in the fact that I'm going to be replacing my tires in the next few weeks, with under 30k miles on them.

I'd ask them if they X rotate them. Some places just do a front rear, as it can be done one side at a time. The Latitudes aren't exactly long life versions, but 30K seems a bit soon. When you swap, consider the Michelin M+S/2 which tends to go more like 70K and has much better dry/wet traction than the Latitude. Doesn't seem any noisier to me either, unlike the AT/2

jacko15 11-14-2013 04:00 PM

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I would also consider an alignment check. A friend of mine who manages a tire store told me that with the way vehicles are built today you can be out of alignment and not feel anything, like pulling or vibration. Before you know it the tires are wearing unevenly.

kjbean07 11-14-2013 05:11 PM

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Yeah, I'm planning on replacing these with the Michelin LTX MS2's. The Latitudes will still pass inspection, but with winter coming and living in New England, I want to have the new set of tires on before the snow comes. I've heard good things about the MS2's so I'm eager to try them out, especially in the snow.

I will definitely get an alignment done when the new tires are put on, and probably have another alignment done in 6 months even if I don't notice any issues.

johngreen1234 11-14-2013 05:26 PM

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Time for "OCD Theater". I took a marking pen and discretely numbered my wheels, 1-5, including the matching spare. When I go to the dealer for my $19.95 oil change +rotation, I draw out a diagram, "before" and "after", of the rotation scheme for 5 tires. If they use the diagram they get it right the first time.

BTW, I bring my own Pennzoil Platinum.

tomk 11-14-2013 05:32 PM

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Unless the tires are directional, you need to do the cross.

If you don't have the matching spare wheel, then the spare doesn't play.

I had latitudes on my '07 for 50K miles, I did not find them to be short lived, but then again there are at least three different "Latitude" versions..

...tom

kjbean07 11-16-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by johngreen1234 (Post 930470)
Time for "OCD Theater". I took a marking pen and discretely numbered my wheels, 1-5, including the matching spare. When I go to the dealer for my $19.95 oil change +rotation, I draw out a diagram, "before" and "after", of the rotation scheme for 5 tires. If they use the diagram they get it right the first time.

BTW, I bring my own Pennzoil Platinum.


Kind of sad that you have to mark everything and draw a diagram... can't people do things right anymore?

I just called the service department of the dealership explaining my situation to them. They are going to have a manager call me back on Monday. I feel like I should be compensated some how if they haven't been rotating my tires properly, since I now have to dish out $1100+ for new tires. The girl I spoke with on the phone said that the actual service guys (not the Quick Lane) do the cross rotation, but the Quick Lane guy just told her that they only do front to back... I feel like that's not right. Quick Lane or not, I'm paying them to rotate my tires, so I'd expect that they'd do it properly per manufactures specifications. So we shall see what they say on Monday...

AAAA 11-16-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kjbean07 (Post 930462)
Yeah, I'm planning on replacing these with the Michelin LTX MS2's. The Latitudes will still pass inspection, but with winter coming and living in New England, I want to have the new set of tires on before the snow comes. I've heard good things about the MS2's so I'm eager to try them out, especially in the snow.

I will definitely get an alignment done when the new tires are put on, and probably have another alignment done in 6 months even if I don't notice any issues.

I found the LTX M/S 2's to be very good in the snow, but only average on ice. That is to be expected as they are a high mileage (70,000 miles) tire and thus the compound is harder rubber. You might also consider the Nokian WR G2 SUV which is a 12 month harsh weather rated tire. It will not last as long as the LTX M/S 2, but will be better on ice. I am starting to see them around here on Grand Cherokees, but still see more Michelins and GY Silent Armors (now discontinued).

I have the Nokian WR G2's on my Subaru and it is unstoppable in the winter.

kjbean07 11-16-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AAAA (Post 931268)
I found the LTX M/S 2's to be very good in the snow, but only average on ice. That is to be expected as they are a high mileage (70,000 miles) tire and thus the compound is harder rubber. You might also consider the Nokian WR G2 SUV which is a 12 month harsh weather rated tire. It will not last as long as the LTX M/S 2, but will be better on ice. I am starting to see them around here on Grand Cherokees, but still see more Michelins and GY Silent Armors (now discontinued).

I have the Nokian WR G2's on my Subaru and it is unstoppable in the winter.

Ahhh, I was all set to buy the LTX M/S2, but now you've got me thinking about getting winter tires instead, haha. I've had Blizzak's on my two previous vehicles (one being a Subaru), and they were awesome.

Last year I made it through winter with the Latitudes on my Jeep, and I'd say it did ok - wasn't great, but wasn't horrible. I was a little disappointed though, comparing it to the previous Jeep's I've owned, but maybe they were better in the snow because of the old select trac 4wd?

Anyway, I will probably give the LTX M/S2's a try and see how they are this winter. I couldn't go with something like the Nokian's year round because I drive a lot, and would like a good high mileage tire for the rest of the year (the reason I'm also not going with an AT tire, even though I want to haha). If I'm not happy with the new Michelin's, I'll look into getting a dedicated winter tire for next year.

Slim7777 11-18-2013 11:30 AM

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Give the warranty claim a try with Michelin. I did and they prorated my new MS2's despite some uneven wear on my Lattitudes.

kjbean07 11-18-2013 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Slim7777 (Post 932081)
Give the warranty claim a try with Michelin. I did and they prorated my new MS2's despite some uneven wear on my Lattitudes.

I stopped in at Town Fair Tire (authorized Michelin dealer) and they said I wouldn't have any luck with a warranty claim since I hadn't had an alignment...

My main issue is the Jeep dealer's quick lane service did not properly rotate my tires. I don't understand why their service department would rotate tires properly, but the Quick Lane wouldn't - the Jeep was on a lift and there were two guys rotating them, so it wouldn't take much longer... Anyway, I put in a call to the Jeep dealer and the Quick Lane manager is going to give me a call tomorrow. I am hoping to get some money from them (or from Michelin, through them) to put toward new tires. I will keep you posted.


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