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Jeff_Jeske 03-02-2014 04:50 PM

Stability Control is trying to kill me
 
2011 overland quadra drive.... With snow tires. When I take off at an intersection and attempt to apply decent throttle while turning the ecu kills throttle which leaves me nearly at a dead stop in the middle of a busy road.

Anyone else have this happen to them? Is there a fix to allow additional wheels spin or at a minimum less throttle regulation?

Does this happen on the 2014s?

Other than the attempted homicide I love this thing but this is a pretty major issue.

dubwarren 03-02-2014 06:16 PM

Have you had this problem in sport mode? Have you tried turning off ESC?

roots4x 03-02-2014 07:45 PM

Are the snow tires the exact same size as stock tires? Different sizes could potentially affect the stability. I'm assuming you know that you shouldn't be applying too much throttle at corners and the stability will kick on to keep you alive.

dcar335i 03-02-2014 07:54 PM

Is your vehicle in the auto setting? My 2014 will do the same thing in auto mode. The snow setting allows for a moderate amount of slip while starting in 2nd to help reduce spin. The sand mode will disable traction control and allow for much more wheel spin

jeepinAl 03-02-2014 09:03 PM

Re: Stability Control is trying to kill me
 
Welcome to technology

Two weeks ago during the Carolina snowstorm i was driving my ol 01 cherokee ( very limited technology, but limited slip diff) i started skidding around a corner, but i knew a lil gas would help it ' swing' around a little bit more and actually help point it around the corner. Worked just fine.

I thought to myself that this 'technique' might not be possible in my '14 WK2 Limited due to the symptoms you're describing. The ESC would take over while in this slight skid and actually retard the throttle. Therefore leaving me sliding in the direction of momentum. Me no likey.

But that's technology and 99% of the time its better that way and more safe?

Al

( this is all assuming you were talking about driving on snow in auto mode)

Jeff_Jeske 03-02-2014 11:08 PM

Re: Stability Control is trying to kill me
 
I used to have a 2002 Limited QD and that thing was a beast in the snow. I'd give up all this traction and stability control for mechanical diffs in a second.

I find it hard to believe the engineers would allow this much throttle control for a simple left hander at an intersection. It's terrible. Turning off traction control allows me to spin the tires UNTIL I try to use the wheelspin to turn a corner then it shuts me down. Sport mode is a bad choice since it lowers the vehicle and sends more power to the back causing the SC to kick in even sooner.

Does anyone know of a flash or update to correct it? This has to be a bug.

Marlon_JB2 03-03-2014 10:49 AM

Re: Stability Control is trying to kill me
 
It's not a bug. It's normal behavior. You may know how to drive in these conditions, but most don't, so it's there to protect them from spinning out. My Jeep does it too. I just wait until the coast is clear and don't try to dart out in front of traffic.

mswlogo 03-03-2014 12:54 PM

Re: Stability Control is trying to kill me
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepinAl (Post 985130)
Welcome to technology

Two weeks ago during the Carolina snowstorm i was driving my ol 01 cherokee ( very limited technology, but limited slip diff) i started skidding around a corner, but i knew a lil gas would help it ' swing' around a little bit more and actually help point it around the corner. Worked just fine.

I thought to myself that this 'technique' might not be possible in my '14 WK2 Limited due to the symptoms you're describing. The ESC would take over while in this slight skid and actually retard the throttle. Therefore leaving me sliding in the direction of momentum. Me no likey.

But that's technology and 99% of the time its better that way and more safe?

Al

( this is all assuming you were talking about driving on snow in auto mode)

You probably wouldn't get into the skid in the first place with the 2014.

I've yet to feel the Stability Control throttle me back. It may have but I didn't notice it. Or find it an obstacle in anyway to notice it.

I'm a bit confused by the OP.

He does not mention snow or slippery conditions. But he wants to spin his wheels (more) at every intersection that he turns at?

If in normal dry conditions the Stability Control is throttling back or engine feels that way. I suspect something is wrong.

After seeing the "moose test" thread on prior model years who knows what the Stability Control is doing.

jeepinAl 03-03-2014 01:09 PM

Re: Stability Control is trying to kill me
 
What? You live in Boston and haven't taken your WK2 on the first snow (in your case nov-mar) ritual of doing donuts. I suggest going to an open area, not the Commons, like a parking lot and turn the wheel and gas it. If your WK2 doesn't throttle back then yours has problems.
Sure the ESC works great by limiting the throttle....but where's the fun?:D
Like.i said, safety wise its great 99% of the time and assuming OP was talking about driving on snow because if he wasn't then you are.correct...he's got problems.

Jeff_Jeske 03-03-2014 01:14 PM

Re: Stability Control is trying to kill me
 
Yes .... snow even with blizzacks.

I'd really like to know if the 2014s suffer from the same problem. I ask because my wife's edge is superb ... is has something similar to QD but it never kills power. I hope improvements have been made since gen 1 of the wk2.

mswlogo 03-03-2014 01:22 PM

Re: Stability Control is trying to kill me
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeepinAl (Post 985486)
What? You live in Boston and haven't taken your WK2 on the first snow (in your case nov-mar) ritual of doing donuts. I suggest going to an open area, not the Commons, like a parking lot and turn the wheel and gas it. If your WK2 doesn't throttle back then yours has problems.
Sure the ESC works great by limiting the throttle....but where's the fun?:D
Like.i said, safety wise its great 99% of the time and assuming OP was talking about driving on snow because if he wasn't then you are.correct...he's got problems.

I've taken it in plenty of snow. I have a vacation home in central NH too.

I have Nokian snows on it and I put it in snow mode when appropriate.

I've never felt it throttle back. Enough to notice.

It just goes !!

I know exactly what you mean when a car does this. On my wifes 99 Passat it would bog down like crazy in snow. Shut off Traction control and it would paddle through. On her 2011 CC you cannot defeat Traction control and it just "goes" now too. You can feel the ABS pulsing like mad when you paddle through snow. But it doesn't hold throttle back much. Like the 99 did with traction control on. As long as it's going good, I don't really pay much attention.

Lights are flashing on dash board for ABS/Traction but I don't feel it under powering or preventing it from "paddling through".

I admit I rarely gun it, in a turn, in the snow !!

I'll see what it does in a hard turn, in the snow, next time.
I don't normally TRY to put the truck into a spin :)

Yeah OP never mentioned snow but everyone assumes he was. You guys may be right.
He did say he wanted to spin his wheels more (hopefully for paddling through snow).

But in normal driving taking turns in snow, I don't notice it bogging down. It may well be.

I have not taken it to the "Snow Play Ground". No donuts.

Almost took it on the Lake in NH this past weekend but my wife hates when I do. I popped two of the beads once on my old Jeep when it was like 0 degrees out. She wasn't too happy.

TurboRush 03-03-2014 02:07 PM

Re: Stability Control is trying to kill me
 
I haven't had the need to turn off the ESC in the Jeep - I just put it in snow mode and go... however, its the first thing I do when I get in the Subaru - that car pulls throttle so quickly. If you are ever in situation where some amount of wheel spin is desirable you are dead in the water. I prefer to be able to regulate when I want spin and when I don't.


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