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AquaForester 03-18-2014 08:30 AM

What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
I know this has been beaten to death and I know there are many that like their low-profile tires, but after having three GCs and this being the first with 20" rims I have to say I don't get it. I now have to tiptoe over potholes, worry about curb rash, damage. If I want to air down it could be a problem, so all this utility has been taken away for 'a look'. I don't think the trade-off is worth it. I should have followed my gut when leasing the Jeep since I had a feeling this might happen. So I'm stuck with changing the tires (to larger size), but I know these will have drawbacks like decrease mph, speedo and rubbing in off road situations (which would negate the benefit) or

I can just get a new set of 18" and hopefully the 20" rims and tires will look good hanging on my garage wall until lease end :o

Roadmaster45 03-18-2014 08:52 AM

Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
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Originally Posted by AquaForester (Post 993462)
I know this has been beaten to death and I know there are many that like their low-profile tires, but after having three GCs and this being the first with 20" rims I have to say I don't get it. I now have to tiptoe over potholes, worry about curb rash, damage. If I want to air down it could be a problem, so all this utility has been taken away for 'a look'. I don't think the trade-off is worth it. I should have followed my gut when leasing the Jeep since I had a feeling this might happen. So I'm stuck with changing the tires (to larger size), but I know these will have drawbacks like decrease mph, speedo and rubbing in off road situations (which would negate the benefit) or

I can just get a new set of 18" and hopefully the 20" rims and tires will look good hanging on my garage wall until lease end :o

Hello Aqua, being it is a leased vehicle, just ride it thru and wait till lease end why go thru the expense and work whrn you can turn it in and get what you need on a vehicle next time. I have a friend that leases and he spends all kind of money then he turns it in the first chance he getsand does it all over again. I have those crappy GY tires on mine cant wait to purchase new tires when these go, I purchased my vehicle, because I can be one to mod up a vehicle good luck to what you decide

JeepGCOverland 03-18-2014 09:09 AM

Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
I too made the terrible mistake of getting 20" rims. They have curb rash on them, and getting curb rash on a Jeep is pathetic (unless you get it off-road, which I didn't).

To everyone even thinking of going off-road: GET THE 18" WHEELS! Also, if you are getting an Overland, get the ORAII package. Don't do what I did and get QD-II and add skid plates, it is a pain and more expensive. I also missed out on Selec-Speed Control, which I didn't realize at the time.

Just to clarify, if you aren't planning on going off-road, the 20" rims should be fine. The Jeep still rides very well and handles slightly better than with 18" wheels. The 20" wheels are also fine in snow (I've heard the GY Forteras are better than whatever comes on the 18" wheels in snow).

Jim_in_PA 03-18-2014 09:12 AM

Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
Different strokes for different folks...the 20s are not the best choice for many people depending on how they intend to use their jeep. For me, it's been a zero issue since I'm a 99% highway driver. I bought my JGC primarily as a 4WD luxury vehicle capable of towing my small horse trailer safely...and because I like how it looks. But if I were someone who gets off-road more frequently or lived where curbs were a factor (I don't), then the 18s would have been the better choice.

AquaForester 03-18-2014 09:35 AM

Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
Thanks for the comments all, Roadmaster unforunately I just leased this one so I'd have to wait 3 years unless I do something drastic. I made the mistake of letting my wife dirve my GC and she absolutely loves it so I could have a way out. When her lease ends on her car in November just would be more than happy to take my GC (since the 20" are probably fine with her) and it would open the door for me to get either a new GC or possibly a Wrangler depending on what they do with it.

GCOverland and Jim PA to be honest I don't even know in my mind if this is even a matter of off-road issues only. Even with on-road hazards I don't like it. The streets are torn up by all the snow and large pot holes are real problems more so for the 20". Might also be the way I drive, but I don't like to worry about curb rash and speed bumbs, after all I'm in a Jeep. I also don't feel a real difference between the handling either on my 20" vs when I had 18" (but that might be in my head).

JeepGCOverland 03-18-2014 09:56 AM

Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
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Originally Posted by AquaForester (Post 993499)
Thanks for the comments all, Roadmaster unforunately I just leased this one so I'd have to wait 3 years unless I do something drastic. I made the mistake of letting my wife dirve my GC and she absolutely loves it so I could have a way out. When her lease ends on her car in November just would be more than happy to take my GC (since the 20" are probably fine with her) and it would open the door for me to get either a new GC or possibly a Wrangler depending on what they do with it.

GCOverland and Jim PA to be honest I don't even know in my mind if this is even a matter of off-road issues only. Even with on-road hazards I don't like it. The streets are torn up by all the snow and large pot holes are real problems more so for the 20". Might also be the way I drive, but I don't like to worry about curb rash and speed bumbs, after all I'm in a Jeep. I also don't feel a real difference between the handling either on my 20" vs when I had 18" (but that might be in my head).

I completely agree with the part about being in a Jeep. I bought a Jeep to go through anything, and now I have to avoid potholes because I will destroy my rims if I don't. My Jeep might be getting bought back, so I haven't bought 18" wheels yet, but I will if that doesn't happen.

Also, the Wranglers are sweet. The JGC is nice but not the most fun vehicle. The Wrangler, on the other hand, is one of the most fun vehicles you can buy, even if you don't take it off-road. I almost bought one but decided to go for the JGC at the last second. I will either get another JGC, a Wrangler, or an Audi S4 if my JGC gets bought back.

Andoskyy 03-18-2014 10:02 AM

I have the 20s on my overland, but will get one size bigger when replacing the forteras. Mostly for ride quality. A little more sidewall should smooth things out.

Curb rash is completely user error. I drive over curbs all the time to park. Just need the right angle.

I'm 99% on road too, so 18s off road make sense.

I try my best to not hit potholes and constantly keep an eye out for them. Being from MA, they are everywhere, and I have hit a few good ones. A good pothole sucks with a 20" rim and an 18" rim! If its bad enough to damage your rim and/or tire, the town or state has to pay to fix it.

AquaForester 03-18-2014 10:41 AM

Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
Overland looks like we interested in some of the same things, although I'll definitely be sticking with Jeep (3 of them and no problems). I could certainly understand you looking at other brands since you've had so many issues, but it sounds like you still want to stay with Jeep.

Andoskyy, I'm considering one size bigger, but there are draw backs and I don't know if it's going be a problem if I decide to do stuff off-road with the space in the well.

Some things are user error, but sometimes your in a situation where you have to run over a pothole or you could get pushed into a curb by another driver. So with 20" your more likely to cause damage than if your riding on 18", goes back to "It's a Jeep"

Jim_in_PA 03-18-2014 10:53 AM

Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
With this year's potholes being the size of giant quarries...it's likely any tire/wheel combination is going to "blink" if you hit a nasty one head-on. :o Sometimes I worry that folks behind me may think I'm, um...under the influence...because of constantly having to play "dodge-hole". :lol:

JeepGCOverland 03-18-2014 10:56 AM

Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andoskyy (Post 993514)
I have the 20s on my overland, but will get one size bigger when replacing the forteras. Mostly for ride quality. A little more sidewall should smooth things out.

Curb rash is completely user error. I drive over curbs all the time to park. Just need the right angle.

I'm 99% on road too, so 18s off road make sense.

I try my best to not hit potholes and constantly keep an eye out for them. Being from MA, they are everywhere, and I have hit a few good ones. A good pothole sucks with a 20" rim and an 18" rim! If its bad enough to damage your rim and/or tire, the town or state has to pay to fix it.

You are correct, it is user error. However, I bought a Jeep so that I could go over and through anything, which I can't do. It is my fault for getting 20" wheels, not the Jeep's. My advice to anyone that wants to be able to use a Jeep like a Jeep without damage is to get the 18" wheels.

ExcursionDiesel 03-18-2014 10:56 AM

The first mistake was getting a Fleece IMHO. I've yet to meet a person that had a lower TCO from leasing even with no mods and low miles..but some deals might be better somehow. Those in bankruptcy or with bad credit may have benefits. Whatever works.

As for curb rash, the 18's on my ORA2 Limited have just enough pooch in the sidewall to kiss the curb without grinding a rim. If you ease into a curb at a slight intersecting angle and keep moving forward after contact, you can flex the sidewall enough to grind the rim. My wife's ORA2 06 GC has her handy work signature on the front passenger rim, so its definitely possible.

A slightly wider 20 in certain tires may provide enough pooch for curb rash protection also.

JeepGCOverland 03-18-2014 11:07 AM

Re: What are these 20" wheels good for...Absolutely Nothing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaForester (Post 993530)
Overland looks like we interested in some of the same things, although I'll definitely be sticking with Jeep (3 of them and no problems). I could certainly understand you looking at other brands since you've had so many issues, but it sounds like you still want to stay with Jeep.

Andoskyy, I'm considering one size bigger, but there are draw backs and I don't know if it's going be a problem if I decide to do stuff off-road with the space in the well.

Some things are user error, but sometimes your in a situation where you have to run over a pothole or you could get pushed into a curb by another driver. So with 20" your more likely to cause damage than if your riding on 18", goes back to "It's a Jeep"

I might have two 2014 JGCs right now had I not had so many problems (I would have replaced my Lexus GX with a JGC SRT). Instead, it looks like I will be getting a 2014 Range Rover Sport Autobiography instead.

I definitely want to stick with Jeep. I am slightly scared of getting another JGC due to the problems I have had and the horrible service. There are other factors too, however. I think I might want something a little more fun, hence the Wrangler. However, I am slightly worried about safety in the Wrangler, hence the Audi S4/S5. Why the Audis over something similar? I like the looks, Audi, in my opinion, is more low-key and less snobbish than BMW or Mercedes, and it has Quattro AWD, meaning they will be good in bad conditions. I am also considering getting an Audi S6 for myself, and the S4/S5 will give me a good taste of what those are like without dropping $85,000. I also just like the Audis more than their competitors. I want to stay within the price range of the Jeep, as the primary driver is 17, and anything more expensive just looks horrible (but driving a $55,000 vehicle looks fine :rolleyes:). I am still looking at replacing the JGC with another JGC because it is still a great vehicle, even if it isn't as exciting, and makes the most sense in terms of everything except fun.

Alright, back on topic. :)


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