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stxhunter 05-06-2014 05:54 PM

Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
I just got my Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited on Saturday and would like to keep the seats feeling new over time. I've been in several different vehicles over the years with leather seats and it seems like they are always cracked and dry. I'm wondering what products everyone uses to keep the leather in a like new condition. I've looked at the chemical guys leather conditioner and also at the leather master leather protection cream. Not sure if either of these are any good or whether they are suitable for the Napa Leather in my Jeep.

Any insight would be much appreciated!

bill_de 05-06-2014 06:44 PM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
The owner's manual says the leather needs no conditioning for the life of the Jeep. They recommend wiping them down with a damp cloth, unless there is a tough bit of dirt that needs some cleaning.

They have a Urethane (Plastic) coating, so whatever you put on is going on to the Urethane, not penetrating the leather.


That said, many people still like to use various conditioners. The only advice I give on that, is that it shouldn't hurt.

Either way, enjoy your new Jeep!


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Shake-N-Bake 05-07-2014 06:09 AM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
I haven't received my Overland yet so I have not tried these products on the Jeeps leather but I use Zaino Z-9 and Z-10 on the leather of my M3 and after a few years it still looks like new. Z-9 is the cleaner and Z-10 is a conditioner, Zaino also leaves a fresh leather smell to it. Leatherique also has a couple products that are very good but is a little more time consuming to apply.

Yadkin 05-07-2014 07:57 AM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
Urethane or not I still condition the leather, especially the dash because it's so exposed to the sun. You're going to hear about a lot about different products, guys claiming their choice is best, but it's difficult to find a product that doesn't work well. I choose something with UV inhibitor, park inside or in the shade when I can't, and keep a shade protector in the back for when I have to park outside for a long time.

cherryredjeep 05-07-2014 08:39 AM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
Hmm, My worry would be applying a product that would fill the vent holes and dry!

GunnySpook 05-07-2014 10:18 AM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shake-N-Bake (Post 1018114)
I haven't received my Overland yet so I have not tried these products on the Jeeps leather but I use Zaino Z-9 and Z-10 on the leather of my M3 and after a few years it still looks like new. Z-9 is the cleaner and Z-10 is a conditioner, Zaino also leaves a fresh leather smell to it. Leatherique also has a couple products that are very good but is a little more time consuming to apply.

I've got Z-10, but doubted the need to apply Z-9 leather cleaner to a new car. Do you feel the cleaner application before the Z-10 will be beneficial/necessary? (Also I didn't want to overwhelm the "new car smell" with the reinvigorated leather smell... :) )

Shake-N-Bake 05-07-2014 10:59 AM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GunnySpook (Post 1018211)
I've got Z-10, but doubted the need to apply Z-9 leather cleaner to a new car. Do you feel the cleaner application before the Z-10 will be beneficial/necessary? (Also I didn't want to overwhelm the "new car smell" with the reinvigorated leather smell... :) )

On a new car you wouldn't need the Z-9 for the first application but after 3-4 months I would begin to use it, you'll be surprised to see how much dirt and grease it picks up. My interior is red so it shows dirt pretty easily compared to a darker interior color so I use it each time before I apply the Z-10. If you have a black interior you could probably get by with using it every other time. Haha I know what you mean about the "new car smell", it is a sad day when that goes away.

GunnySpook 05-07-2014 11:21 AM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
I have the light Frost interior in my Overland, so the Z-9 is definitely in my future. I've had the JGC for 1 month now, and am still savoring the new car smell. Not eager to apply the Z-10 just yet.

As it stands, I have already clayed and applied the first coat of Z-5, so I'll just content myself with additional Z-5 and Z2 coats on my True Blue JGC.

It's looking fantastic! And as always, Sal is a great coach on tips and tricks!

Thanks, Shake-N-Bake!

lstowell 05-07-2014 11:40 AM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cherryredjeep (Post 1018176)
Hmm, My worry would be applying a product that would fill the vent holes and dry!

Use your wife's toothbrush to clean the vents.
If you are the wife, substitute husband in above statement.

The Zaino stuff does produce a pleasant leathery smell...

stxhunter 05-08-2014 01:12 PM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
I was looking at the products from chemical guys. But will check into Zaino as well. I just want to make sure whatever I use won't mess up the Urathane coating

1st jeep 05-08-2014 01:30 PM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
I use Griots and it is great. I have always heard good things about Griots and Zanio.

I think Griots even mentions something about not filing in pores when it dries?


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Andoskyy 05-08-2014 02:26 PM

Re: Conditioning Napa Leather Seats??
 
Stolen from a detailing forum i'm a member of...this guys knows his stuff. Hopefully the information helps someone!

"A lot of products are waster based but still contain oils or waxes in an emulsion. Oils/waxes etc cannot penetrate the finishes that are put on auto leather and stay on the surface where they collect more dirt to deteriorate the finish. The reason for using water based products is to keep the leather re-hydrated. All leather has to transpire (breathe) which allows the movement of moisture particles back and forth through the leather so all surface coatings have to allow this to happen otherwise it is sealed and is not leather. Moisture particles from water based products are very fine (much finer than oils and waxes) and so can penetrate the finishes and rehydrate the leather.

True water based products do not contain oils and/or waxes so if the label says they do then don't use them.

There are many water based cleaners around some good and some not so good. Foaming cleaners are the best as they can be given dwell time unlike liquids. Cream cleaners are not good as they need to be 'cleaned' off after use!! making them a pointless product.

'Conditioners' are the products that cause the most confusion. Again they should not contain oils or waxes as this does no good for your leather finish. 'Conditioning' leather as far as a tanner is concerned is the moisture balance so using a true water based product will condition your leather in the correct way.

Leather is the tanned skin/hide of any animal (fish, elephant, frog, cow etc.). Once the skin/hide has been through the tanning process it can be called leather but is in a rather unuseable state and if not kept wet dries out to a stiff board like sheet. All 'natural' oils and fats are removed from the skin during the tanning process.

At this stage the leather is put through the retanning process where fat liquors are introduced and the correct moisture level is also achieved. These 2 combined give the leather its flexibility and suppleness. The fat liquors are good in the leather for about 20 - 30 years (not an exact length of time) and do not migrate from the leather during that time (except under some very rare circumstances which is then treated in a specific manner to re stabilize it). What does alter in the leather is the 'moisture' content and when tanners speak about 'conditioning' leather this is what they are referring to (not the replacement of oils and waxes). It is important therefore that leather is kept correctly hydrated with moisture to allow the leather to remain flexible and supple. This can be done with water based products and there is no reason or necessity to use oils and wax based products to 'condition' or 'feed' the leather. This is particularly true of pigment coated leathers (as in cars) that cannot absorb oils and waxes through their top finish anyway."

I personally use Leather Master cleaner and conditioner and am very happy with them. NO greasy feel at all because they contain no fats/oils.


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