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Spaniardstud 06-04-2014 02:34 PM

HID into Halogen Housing
 
Can someone please advise me on the steps to install HID's in the halogen housing.

Todd3.6 06-04-2014 07:04 PM

Re: HID into Halogen Housing
 
Step 1:
Don't.

HID bulbs create an 'arc' between two electrodes.
That arc is not in the same location as the filament of a normal halogen bulb.
Therefore, your OEM halogen reflector would not 'project' the light properly with an HID bulb installed and all you would do is blind oncoming traffic.

The only proper way to have HID bulbs in non-HID headlights is to take them apart and install a proper HID projector housing inside the halogen housing.

Other threads have reported success with that method.
Still other threads talk about the new LED H11 bulbs available on the market.

Personally, for now I went with the Osram Nighbreaker bulbs from PowerBulbs:
OSRAM Night Breaker Unlimited H11 (Twin) | PowerBulbs

We shall see how long they last...
They do not have the "blue" appearance of other tinted bulbs.

Bolimitzr1 07-05-2014 07:54 AM

Re: HID into Halogen Housing
 
It can be done I've run HID conversion for years. Don't be an a$$ and get annoying colors. Don't use 55w kits as I found out they are blinding to others. 55w 8k color from retro solutions llc were over kill I had to run with headlight covers to dim them down. 35watt digital ac 8k is a great color very white. Get the tips dipped to eliminate hot spots. Use a harness kit so current doesn't kill your electrical system. And you'll be all set. The mentioned company also dips and can even install projectors as well. I'm not advertising for them and no affiliation but speak from excellent service quality and lifetime warranty.

Wolfz23 11-08-2014 11:27 PM

Re: HID into Halogen Housing
 
I just installed 55w 8k into my Factory halogen assembly and they are fine. Whoever said they light will just blind other drivers, is only somewhat correct. The brightness of the light is what would, if at all, be blinding. It has nothing to do with the bulb itself.

Think of it this way. BOTH lights, emit light in 360 degrees around the glass part of the bulb. The factory housing, focuses that 360 degrees of light to the exact same spot, no matter what bulb is in there...
Like if you put a light bulb in a mirrored cone. The light reflects out of that cone. changing the light bulb does NOT change the angle of which the light comes out of the cone.

The "blinding" is because the HID being 4-5 times brighter, and of different "color/temp" it travels through the air and reflects off moisture and air particles differently. As well as street signs, and whatever.

Point being, put what you want in your vehicle. 55w is really really bright, 8k has a slight blue tint to it, where 6k is more of a pure white. Factory headlights are approx 4300, which is yellowish.

you will DEFINITELY see more of the road, with 6k or 8k.

Having the "tip dipped" may make it a little less bright, but hey... if your putting in HID, why would you want them less bright? buy some standard Silver Star lights if you want that.

Barboots 11-08-2014 11:36 PM

Re: HID into Halogen Housing
 
Blinding is due to the wrong pattern being output... usually due to HID globes being fitted to halogen fixtures not designed for the way the different globe emits light.

Cheers,
Steve

Wolfz23 11-09-2014 12:23 AM

Re: HID into Halogen Housing
 
barboots, although I get what you are saying. The "cutoff" from my projectors is the exact same.

can you help me understand how..

With the factory bulbs (halogen) and the Jeep in my shop, the light pattern would be chopped flat just above my work bench. So the light was bright below the work bench, then there was almost a horizontal line where the lights were cut off on the wall just above the work bench.

When I put the HID in, with the Jeep parked in the same spot, the "cut off" was @ the same level.

So with factory and HID, the projectors "cut off" the light pattern at the same level. approx 38in off the ground @ 20 ft away.

If the factory and the HID are projecting light to the same height/level/spot, there is no way the new light pattern would "blind" drivers any differently than the factory.

Which leads to the brightness of the actual light being the culprit for blinding people.

Barboots 11-09-2014 12:42 AM

Re: HID into Halogen Housing
 
I don't think the problem exists with projector housings Wolfz. If this is the point being debated, I'd actually disagree that it's a concern.

HIDs in a standard reflector housing is an entirely different story however.

Cheers,
Steve

Todd3.6 11-30-2014 12:00 PM

Re: HID into Halogen Housing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfz23 (Post 1112837)
I just installed 55w 8k into my Factory halogen assembly and they are fine. Whoever said they light will just blind other drivers, is only somewhat correct. The brightness of the light is what would, if at all, be blinding. It has nothing to do with the bulb itself.

Think of it this way. BOTH lights, emit light in 360 degrees around the glass part of the bulb. The factory housing, focuses that 360 degrees of light to the exact same spot, no matter what bulb is in there...
Like if you put a light bulb in a mirrored cone. The light reflects out of that cone. changing the light bulb does NOT change the angle of which the light comes out of the cone.

The "blinding" is because the HID being 4-5 times brighter, and of different "color/temp" it travels through the air and reflects off moisture and air particles differently. As well as street signs, and whatever.

Point being, put what you want in your vehicle. 55w is really really bright, 8k has a slight blue tint to it, where 6k is more of a pure white. Factory headlights are approx 4300, which is yellowish.

you will DEFINITELY see more of the road, with 6k or 8k.

Having the "tip dipped" may make it a little less bright, but hey... if your putting in HID, why would you want them less bright? buy some standard Silver Star lights if you want that.

#1 - anything above 6000 kelvin in light color is worthless to the human eye at night. Just watch the 'purple' light crowd going down the street next to a normal halogen or OEM HID setup.

#2 - From reading your post I can tell that you either don't know anything about light optics or choose to ignore the facts.

The OEM halogen reflector housings are designed for the specific placement of the halogen bulb within the housing to reflect the light outward in a very specific pattern. This design takes into consideration both the length of the halogen filament AND the distance of the filament from the base of the reflector.

Now take a 'one size fits all' HID bulb where the arc is a different length than the halogen filament (though a shorter arc would be less offensive) AND a difference in the distance of the arc from the base of the reflector housing and you have light being projected out from the housing that does NOT conform to the OEM specifications and MOST LIKELY will result in blinding light to oncoming traffic.

The best example I can think of is a focusing flashlight (like a Maglight). Twist the head all the way in the one direction so you have a nice concentrated (spot) beam of light. This is how the OEM reflector housing is designed. Then twist the head slightly to 'widen' the beam. This moves the reflector in relation to the bulb filament just like you are doing with your 'one size fits all' HID bulbs. The resulting spread (or leakage) of light outside the original defined 'spot' is what causes glare and blinding light for oncoming traffic.

wilee 12-01-2014 11:41 AM

Re: HID into Halogen Housing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd3.6 (Post 1032588)
Personally, for now I went with the Osram Nighbreaker bulbs from PowerBulbs:
OSRAM Night Breaker Unlimited H11 (Twin) | PowerBulbs

We shall see how long they last...
They do not have the "blue" appearance of other tinted bulbs.

Did you swap out your fog-light bulbs as well to match? If so what bulb did you use?

Todd3.6 12-01-2014 01:50 PM

Re: HID into Halogen Housing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wilee (Post 1122115)
Did you swap out your fog-light bulbs as well to match? If so what bulb did you use?

I'm running the JW Speaker 6145 LED fog lights.


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