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yousmellfunnytoo 04-26-2010 10:29 AM

Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
So, as the year goes on, I plan to start doing some big things. I know a few of you have had cyclinder heads and such done to your rides, so input would be great.

I didnt know much about all this, but I think this is a great place to pick up some extra horse power, and some awesome sound :)

What are you guys using for heads and cams? I am pretty sure I am going to do the eagle 09 intake manifold. I know amw5 has this and there was a thread on it not long ago, but I was wondering if it comes with the injectors. If it doesn't would stock 6.1 injectors do the trick? What about fuel rails? Do I have to buy a new set or what? Any links would be helpful.

As far as heads go, is it worth me buying heads and not upgrading the internals? Should I do a full forged rotating assembly? so down the road I wont have to take the motor out again?

Heads I am looking at are the Inertia motorsports ones:
5.7L Inertia PerformanceCylinder Heads:
Link: http://www.inertiamotorsports.com/cylinderheads.html

Any work on these? I have seen some good results on other sites and other cars. Specifically the LX bodies. Not sure if there is much of a difference between the Jeep 5.7 and the LX 5.7's

For the Cam, I am looking at the Spartan MAX cam from Inertia:
http://www.inertiamotorsports.com/SPARTAN%20MAX.html

Another issue as mentioned in the manifold thread is that ill probably need that crowler timing kit and the UD pulley. I havnt heard much about the pulley adding anything to the jeep. Anyone have one? Any reviews?

I know I will need a tune after this, i already have a tuner. But I would be going to a rear wheel drive dyno. How do i tune that? do I just pull the Transfer case motor or what? I dont want to do any damage to the front wheel drive system. I am not sure how it works with the quadra drive kit.

Any other Cam/head suggestions?

One other question, is that ill be getting headers around july / august. Do i need to turn after i put in the headers, so can i drive with those without a tune, until I get all the head/cam work done?

Or should I just say forget it and buy NCTS referb turbo kit?
OR
Buy a motorcycle?:lol:

DJ BoNiOmArIo 04-26-2010 10:35 AM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
I would say do the NCTS kit he already has one that is proven and Escape can be a good guide to get you setup and let you know what you really need for that system.

that's just IMHO ...

yousmellfunnytoo 04-26-2010 10:54 AM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boniomario (Post 196310)
I would say do the NCTS kit he already has one that is proven and Escape can be a good guide to get you setup and let you know what you really need for that system.

that's just IMHO ...

Unfortunately, I cant just buy that over a period of time. As I mentioned, all this probably wont be installed until around next year

Ill buy parts starting now, and then do one big install

I know for a fact if i buy the turbo system, I am going to go nuts and have it installed right away.

I need to purchase a lot with the turbo system, gauges etc. I am sure I can do the turbo install myself but could I drive it a few miles to a shop to have it tuned with a Preditor? Or do I need the other system Tim uses as a piggy back?

Edit: And the whole Meth inject. set up? Maybe I cant install it myself :(. Plus, there goes my new catback :))

jhawk 04-26-2010 04:28 PM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
Sell the catback, get the turbo!

08Hemi 04-26-2010 05:31 PM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
seriously IMO I would buy that used turbo system...most bang for your buck and it is proven to be legit :) just my 0.02

FlyinRyan 04-26-2010 08:42 PM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
All depends on what you want. If it were my truck? I'd buy the NCTS kit.

That being said...if you stay N/A...On a new gen Hemi I would go with a set of Sharadon SP2 heads and a KRC/Comp Camshaft. Or Killian Heads.

chefalan23 04-27-2010 12:44 AM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
i'm going to have to be the one to disagree. i just wouldnt feel safe doing forced induction on a motor with stock internals. speaking from experience i put a vortech s-trim on my stock motor in my mustang and it ran great for about 20k, but it was downhill after that. i ended up buying a forged shortblock and boosting it and it was rock solid then. i say do heads and cam.

FlyinRyan 04-27-2010 10:50 AM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chefalan23 (Post 196787)
i'm going to have to be the one to disagree. i just wouldnt feel safe doing forced induction on a motor with stock internals. speaking from experience i put a vortech s-trim on my stock motor in my mustang and it ran great for about 20k, but it was downhill after that. i ended up buying a forged shortblock and boosting it and it was rock solid then. i say do heads and cam.

What happened? Comparing a Hemi, which has very tight tolerances (albeit problems with shattering ringlands) is apples to oranges in comparison to a SBF 302. 302s are awesome and all, don't take this the wrong way, but it has different problems than these motors.

No matter how you get your power, failures can always happen....this is the game we play when we exceed factory designs.

yousmellfunnytoo 04-27-2010 11:44 AM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
THanks for the input

As far as heads go.. Whats the difference in the sheradon sp2's and the inertia? other than about 500 bucks? The inertia has the same springs and lifters and valve size for less cash, and an even less core charge

And cams are a dime a dozen there are a ton out there but inertia has a few clips of different hemi cars and trucks and they sound so badass.

After this thread though, I am considering the NCTS turbo.. I hope tim can pipe in about the system, but do I HAVE to run the meth injection if i use his system? Can i just run lower boost and not have to worry about it?

The probablem is that, looking at his install pictures, is the windshield wiper fluid tank becomes a meth / water tank for the turbo... I kinda like being able to clean my windshields

Also, can I boost it and then drive it without a tune for a few miles or do i have to have it tuned right then and there? I dont want to buy the Iems3 or whatever system when I already have a capable tuner.

One more thing, I know I will have to upgrade the trans to handle the cams and heads, I know I probably should with the turbo, but how much horsepower and torque can the stock 5.7 trans handle? I know the transfer cases can hold about 600hp and I dont think i would be making anywhere near that

No one for the motorcycle option? Looking at getting a used shadow vt600 and turning it into a bobber... here is a quick photoshop of a few ideas:
From this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...oo/vlx-006.jpg
To this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...turebobber.jpg

chefalan23 04-27-2010 01:22 PM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
i'd pass on the bike, its not my taste. id rather have a fast jeep.

FlyinRyan 04-27-2010 01:24 PM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
You're welcome.

The difference is in the quality. http://nadodge.com/showthread.php?t=2911 Have a read there, the OP has spent 30k with Stu.

The Sharadon boys have the fastest Hemi Ram (11.08) in a 5000+ lb 4x4. They specialize in forced induction, although they just put together a NASTY 392 N/A stroker that will see a healthy dosage of dope.

I'm not necessarily pushing one vendor or another, I try not to sip anyone's kool-aid, but there is much more out there than what Stu offers.

Based on what's been seen out there, anything beyond 400 whp is asking alot out of a 545rfe.


Quote:

Originally Posted by yousmellfunnytoo (Post 196959)
THanks for the input

As far as heads go.. Whats the difference in the sheradon sp2's and the inertia? other than about 500 bucks? The inertia has the same springs and lifters and valve size for less cash, and an even less core charge

And cams are a dime a dozen there are a ton out there but inertia has a few clips of different hemi cars and trucks and they sound so badass.

After this thread though, I am considering the NCTS turbo.. I hope tim can pipe in about the system, but do I HAVE to run the meth injection if i use his system? Can i just run lower boost and not have to worry about it?

The probablem is that, looking at his install pictures, is the windshield wiper fluid tank becomes a meth / water tank for the turbo... I kinda like being able to clean my windshields

Also, can I boost it and then drive it without a tune for a few miles or do i have to have it tuned right then and there? I dont want to buy the Iems3 or whatever system when I already have a capable tuner.

One more thing, I know I will have to upgrade the trans to handle the cams and heads, I know I probably should with the turbo, but how much horsepower and torque can the stock 5.7 trans handle? I know the transfer cases can hold about 600hp and I dont think i would be making anywhere near that

No one for the motorcycle option? Looking at getting a used shadow vt600 and turning it into a bobber... here is a quick photoshop of a few ideas:
From this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...oo/vlx-006.jpg
To this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...turebobber.jpg


yousmellfunnytoo 04-27-2010 02:16 PM

Re: Heads, Cam, Intake Mani
 
Cant get onto that forum, i need a user name and password... Wanna PM me or email me the original post?

What amount of HP can the Sheradon trans hold up to? what if i just upgraded the valve body.


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