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fnckr 04-26-2010 10:56 PM

Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
My real question is at the BOTTOM.

So, I'm about to fix the floaty Jeep handling by adding Bilstein HDs all around. I also know that the Commander/SRT8 rear sway is effective and an easy mod, but I won't add that until later AND only if I feel the Bilsteins weren't enough.

What if I add just the Bwoody Sway bar links? Bwoody claims they tighten up handling, but I don't see how.

Hear me out. When the WK leans in a turn there's little side load on the stock end-links. It's only push or pull and a little side load because of the sway bar's twist. So, the stock metal end-link isn't really flexing. However, I guess the flex/slop comes from the weak stock rubber bushings and this is where the Bwoodys could excel. It would eliminate that bit of slop, and also probably that dribbling sound on certain bumps. That in-turn would make the sway bar more effective. Too bad poly bushings only aren't available for the WK without new end-links.

But, is that worth $219?:confused:

I also feel that replacing the sway bar mounting bushings could be an even better way to increase the effectiveness of the stock WK sway bar. That's because the bar would be forced to twist/torque instead of the bushings flexing (another source of slop). At least these bushings are available on their own.

In summary, I feel some of the stock sway bar's torque is being lost to the flexing of the bushings holding it in place.

So, my real question is, would only replacing the stock WK sway bar mounting bushings and sway bar end link bushings with poly bushings, while leaving the stock WK sway bar in place, have a positive effect and reduce the slop in the WK?

SvenskaJeepGuy 04-27-2010 12:32 AM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
i dont know the technical aspects of this question, but i know that i added the end links and srt sways and the difference is night and day. the sway links on the wk are very weak and the bwoodys are much stronger. you can also buy them from bwoody on ebay for much cheaper than the price they offer JG members on this website. i guess they would rather pay ebay fees?

DJ BoNiOmArIo 04-27-2010 12:34 AM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
very good question indeed if i understand correctly replacing the sway bar mounting bushings and sway bar end link bushings with poly bushings should do the trick ... and yes the $219 is too much for them ...

Scottina06 04-27-2010 12:45 AM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
im too tired to explain tonight...but new bushings wont do a thing on a big, heavy SUV. The endlinks and sways do way more work than you think.

fnckr 04-27-2010 07:43 AM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?

Originally Posted by Scottina06 (Post 196788)
im too tired to explain tonight...but new bushings wont do a thing on a big, heavy SUV. The endlinks and sways do way more work than you think.

I understand the sways, but not the endlinks.

The firmer bushings would isolate the sway better allowing it to apply its full force in preventing body roll. I feel some of it's force is lost to the flex/slop of the bushings.

yousmellfunnytoo 04-27-2010 08:15 AM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
The endlinks are twice as thick as stock. It tightens up the suspension because there is the thicker diameter bars that prevent the body from rolling around.

Or just thick of it as witchcraft, and it works but as mentioned, its night and day

ny450es 04-27-2010 08:27 AM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
it all depends on how aggressive you drive. i take turns(24/7) like i have a sports car and the jeep handles it remarkably well. still have that floating feeling when i'm on the gas hard in the 80mph and up range and on uneven highway. so the bilstein swap is in the near future.

i added the addco front and rear sway and kept the stock links. the difference was night and day. 2 months later i developed a clunk in the right rear side anytime i made a turn, right or left. the rear stock links have a ball joint on the lower end that will wear out if you have the heavier/beefier rear sway bar...its just to much stress. so i ordered the bwoody links and installed them 4-5 days ago. the clunk is gone. i have not noticed any difference in handling(sp?)/cornering with the bwoody's. you can find them cheaper...go to ebay, got mine powdercoated for under $200-delivered. have a hard time justifying spending that much but there aren't any other choices i know of unless you make them yourself.

if you decide to only install bilsteins as your suspension upgrade you will notice a huge difference in stability. i had a 98zj that i only changed out the bilsteins and the jeep handled alot better but it seemed like the bilsteins were doing double had to be a shock and a swaybar. in my opinion i would rather change out the sway bars than the shocks if i only had one choice to make in the handling dept. personally i would upgrade the sways, links and shocks in one shot. you will have a jeep that handles like it's on rails. good luck.

dmsfun 04-28-2010 08:50 AM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
I have the stock shocks, rear srt bar and new bwoodies on all 4 corners. The floaty feeling is greatly reduced, cornering is far better, but there is some understeer with this setup, so will upgrade with front srt bar when I do the struts and shocks. Bwoodies are not for off road though, as there is no ball joint on them and the suspension does not articulate. I go off road regularly on weekends, and as much as they improve on road performance, they detract from off road, so going back to stock links and will have the Bwoodies up for sale soon when I get my Koni heavy tracks.

fnckr 04-28-2010 11:02 AM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
I don't want to diminish any off-road capability, as I need what it has now. Well, I like doing things in steps so I know what effect each mod has. So, I will install the Bilsteins first, but I will buy new OEM bushings for the sway bar mounts. Next, I'll probably try a set of endlinks from Rockauto, like the heavy duty deeza, moog, etc.

dmsfun 04-28-2010 02:03 PM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
I looked at the links from rockauto and stay away from those cheapos, Deeza and some others have a plastic bearing, (see how long that lasts off road) and Moog is not so good as they used to be. Bendix/AC Delco are probably the best ones built that rockauto sells.

pjs1965 04-28-2010 03:59 PM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
I installed the swaybar links and noticed a difference in the handling on my SRT8. There's less body roll turn in and more oversteer (or less understeer) than before. I can feel the edge of grip in the tires now whereas before, the body roll was telling me I was going to fast and I'd let up before reaching the edge of grip.

It's a difference in vehicle dynamics that depending on how you drive, you can leverage. I like the tighter suspension where I can drive up to and through the edge of tire grip. This means I can take turns at speeds that allow the vehicle to '4-wheel' drift through the apex rather than roll through it.

The difference in those two is substantial when 'racing' a course as you can keep your speed up in turn exits which produces faster lap times. On the street, you're probably never going to get that technical in your driving so it becomes a preference on your street driving style IMO.

To me, the price was well worth the upgrade. The swaybar flex you're talking about is not modified through the bushing -- it's modified through the swaybar links. This is the torsion point for the swaybar IMO. The bushing keeps the swaybar in place to the frame as a stability point. At least that's how I see it.

I hope this helps.

05wkguy 04-28-2010 08:49 PM

Re: Bwoody links are effective why exactly?
You are correct that some of the lean comes from the soft factory bushings,but it's not the only culprit. The factory sway bar is responsible for about 75%. The other problem is that nobody makes just replacement bushings, other than the dealership. So those won't be any better than what you have now.

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