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My 2014 limited was going to need some new tires in a few months, so I decided to do a little upgrade instead.

I found many sets of pretty new Wrangler Sahara tires and wheels for sale in my area. To buy a set of 5 tires and wheels that were taken off a Sahara, and selling my old tires and wheels was about half the cost of four new tires. The five tires and wheel I purchased had about 7K miles on four of them, and zero miles on the spare. The difference in tread depth from the new spare to the other tires was on 1/32nd of an inch. So I used the tire with the least tread as the spare and put the spare on the right rear.

My old tires were Michelin Premier LTX 265/60-18. The Sahara wheels came with Bridgestone Dueler A/T 255/70-18 tires. They are 1.5" taller than the stock JGC tires. They are also 0.4" narrower. At first I was concerned about putting on a narrower tire, but the Wrangler wheels have a slightly less backspacing than the JGC wheels. I used a 4' level and a ruler to measure the distance from the top of the wheel lip to the widest point on the tires before an after. The Sahara tires actually stick out about 3/8" father out. So they appear wider, even though they are a slightly narrower tire.

I have the limited with the V6 and the towing package. So it has the upgraded HD brakes, but no Quadralift suspension. I don't have any clearance or rubbing issues anywhere. The tire pressure monitoring system picked up the new sensors and displayed the proper pressure for each tire.

Since the Wrangler comes with a matching full size spare, I replaced the existing spare with the identical tire and wheel that is on all four corners. To get it to fit in the spare compartment I had to remove the bins around the tire and not use the foam holder for the jack and tire iron. I could still put all my stuff around the space without the bins. I wrapped the jack and tire iron in towels and rags so that I could place them in the center of the spare tire and they wouldn't rattle. The plastic disk with the bolt that holds the space down in the spare tire spot didn't have a long enough bolt to engage into the nut embedded in the bottom of the spare tire area. The Sahara tires and one size wider and the rim has a different backspacing, so the bolt wasn't long enough. Everything is packed so tight and the lid latches so I'm not worried about the spare bouncing around.

I uploaded pictures to the tires and wheels side by side and before and after pics of the Jeep. Tell me what you think.


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I'm a fan! I cringed when I read the title of the post, but I really like how that looks.
 

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Looks great! I would do that too if I didn't have the heavy duty breaks.
 

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Looks great! I would do that too if I didn't have the heavy duty breaks.
I also have the HD brakes. I have the factory installed trailer tow group IV (6200 lbs) which includes the upgrade to the HD brakes. The front wheels come very close to the calipers, but they don't rub. I have seen where people said the older style Sahara wheels have rubbed. I have not seen where anyone else put these newer Sahara wheels on a WK2 posted in this forum.
 

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2019 Rubicon JL rims.....5MM Spacers with Wildpeak AT3W.....265/65-17 same size diameter and width as stock 18". Air suspension set to Off road II. V6...factory Tow package with Standard Duty brakes.

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2019 Rubicon JL rims.....5MM Spacers with Wildpeak AT3W.....265/65-17 same size diameter and width as stock 18". Air suspension set to Off road II. V6...factory Tow package with Standard Duty brakes.

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Can you share what 5MM spacers you used? Finding slimmer hub centric spacers for the WK2 seems tough. There are a ton in the 1.5 - 2.0 inch range with the correct hub, bolt pattern and the 14 MM stubs.
 

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Can you share what 5MM spacers you used? Finding slimmer hub centric spacers for the WK2 seems tough. There are a ton in the 1.5 - 2.0 inch range with the correct hub, bolt pattern and the 14 MM stubs.
yes....I had them made through motorsport-tech. I went through their web site and custom ordered them. They are hub-centric. It did take a while to get them due to the virus as they were shut down for some time and they kept getting/taking orders. They work well no issues and you can still get at least 8-10 full turns on the lug nuts.
 

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yes....I had them made through motorsport-tech. I went through their web site and custom ordered them. They are hub-centric. It did take a while to get them due to the virus as they were shut down for some time and they kept getting/taking orders. They work well no issues and you can still get at least 8-10 full turns on the lug nuts.
Are they flat or do they have a lip on them? Here is a 12 MM one on Amazon with a lip:

And here is an 8 MM one on Amazon with the groove on the inner side, but no outer lip:

I'd like to go with a spacer around the 8 MM size because I think the stock studs would be long enough, but I'm concerned that without the lip that centers the wheel, all the stress is on the studs. That center hub takes a lot of the stress off the studs. With the 12 MM spacer, the concern is the studs are not long enough.

Both of the spacers listed are for the older WK, not the WK2, so the holes for the studs are slightly too small. They can easily be drilled out a little bit to fit the larger 14 MM studs on the WK2.

So for me, the idea spacer would be 8 MM think, have the lip to center the wheel, and have the correct size holes for the 14 MM studs. Did the one you bought have all those features?
 

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OEM studs are 1.5" and Titan wheel accessories states 12mm spacers need extended studs on their site. There has been a couple people run them without extended studs, but my life is worth more than the risk taken.

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I also have the HD brakes. I have the factory installed trailer tow group IV (6200 lbs) which includes the upgrade to the HD brakes. The front wheels come very close to the calipers, but they don't rub. I have seen where people said the older style Sahara wheels have rubbed. I have not seen where anyone else put these newer Sahara wheels on a WK2 posted in this forum.
The tow package only adds HD brakes to the Hemi and diesel engine Jeeps. My gas v6 limited with tow package has solid rear rotors and my v8 Hemi limited with tow package has the vented rear rotors.


 

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The tow package only adds HD brakes to the Hemi and diesel engine Jeeps.
The HD brakes are not part of the factory towing package. They come with the HEMI and EcoDiesel engine choice.
 

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The HD brakes are not part of the factory towing package. They come with the HEMI and EcoDiesel engine choice.
I have seen other posts that say they were included. I also found where someone posted the specs sheets for both the 2014 and 2015 JGC and the 2014 didn't have HD brakes even with the V8 and Diesel.

So to revise my statements, the Wrangler Sahara wheels fit great on my 2014 with the standard brakes. Since these are the 18" Sahara wheels, not the 17" Sahara wheels, they MAY fit over the larger front rotors on the HD brakes, but I cannot confirm that. I have seen posts that state the 17" wheels do NOT fit over the larger rotors.
 

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Are they flat or do they have a lip on them? Here is a 12 MM one on Amazon with a lip:

And here is an 8 MM one on Amazon with the groove on the inner side, but no outer lip:

I'd like to go with a spacer around the 8 MM size because I think the stock studs would be long enough, but I'm concerned that without the lip that centers the wheel, all the stress is on the studs. That center hub takes a lot of the stress off the studs. With the 12 MM spacer, the concern is the studs are not long enough.

Both of the spacers listed are for the older WK, not the WK2, so the holes for the studs are slightly too small. They can easily be drilled out a little bit to fit the larger 14 MM studs on the WK2.

So for me, the idea spacer would be 8 MM think, have the lip to center the wheel, and have the correct size holes for the 14 MM studs. Did the one you bought have all those features?
Mine are flat.....no lip....I think they have to be 8 or 10mm or thicker to have the lip. Mine are so thin 5mm (3/16") that the lip that's on the vehicle hub sticks through them and goes into the back of the wheel. If you pull the front wheel you'll see what I'm talking about.
 

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Mine are flat.....no lip....I think they have to be 8 or 10mm or thicker to have the lip. Mine are so thin 5mm (3/16") that the lip that's on the vehicle hub sticks through them and goes into the back of the wheel. If you pull the front wheel you'll see what I'm talking about.
Thanks for the information. The next time I have a wheel off I should measure how tall the lip on the hub is.
 

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Lenny, at Motosport tech knows that info and that's what he bases when he needs to add the lip to the thicker spacers. He email me and told me when I had a set made for one of my other vehicles and he told me that they had to be at least (not sure what it was) to make them with the lip.
 
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