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Active driver assist is not in shortage. Hands free active driver assist there is no news since the initial announcement stating MY22 availability.
Is that even legal? I too am interested in a enhanced active driver assist but I would have thought you'd have to still keep your hands on the wheel, at least lightly...
 

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Is that even legal? I too am interested in a enhanced active driver assist but I would have thought you'd have to still keep your hands on the wheel, at least lightly...
Yes it's legal. For the hands-free system they use a driver monitoring camera to verify you have eyes on the road still. Look at GM super cruise for a similar system.
 

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Yes it's legal. For the hands-free system they use a driver monitoring camera to verify you have eyes on the road still. Look at GM super cruise for a similar system.
That's a little scary

Thanks, I'll check it out
 

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My dealer told me Mid October. I just did a little searching and actually couldn't find a Summit Reserve with the deleted air suspension. So can we assume that they're keeping the air suspension for the SR's? Has anyone seen a SR window sticker with anything deleted?
I looked around yesterday a little, and no...all the SRs did not have the delete. All of the Overlands had the delete. There also was not one Overland with offroad...which, come one, it seems the price difference between overland and summit is so small, the primary reason for an overland is the offroad.
 

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I looked around yesterday a little, and no...all the SRs did not have the delete. All of the Overlands had the delete. There also was not one Overland with offroad...which, come one, it seems the price difference between overland and summit is so small, the primary reason for an overland is the offroad.
The off-road group has never actually been orderable for 2021MY Overland. The only models in existence is review/manufacturer test vehicles.
 

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Glad I'm not in buying mode, but never know when that will change. This kind of BS going on in the industry, including deletions of what should be standard equipment on higher trims, is intolerable and will send me back to the somewhat outdated QX80 (but it is reliable, powerful, and comfortable for trips!). Just build more of the trims that do sell heavily (Limiteds), and fewer Overlands and Summits.
 

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The off-road group has never actually been orderable for 2021MY Overland. The only models in existence is review/manufacturer test vehicles.
That makes total sense....

Press vehicles and proving ground vehicles...Overland with the offroad package.
Jeep build a jeep, add that option right on there baby.

Maybe there is a shortage of the trail rated badges.......maybe thats it.
 

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That makes total sense....

Press vehicles and proving ground vehicles...Overland with the offroad package.
Jeep build a jeep, add that option right on there baby.

Maybe there is a shortage of the trail rated badges.......maybe thats it.
It's a shortage of the rear eLSD. They actually built some summits without that part too due to the shortage.
 

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If the manufacturer cannot get the parts for some features, but they can build and provide sellable inventory rather than taking a long pause and having nothing for the dealers to sell, they are going to do what they are doing with QL, etc.--make vehicles to sell without the feature. Many buyers will not care and some will not even notice. But they will have a new JGC-L that they want and enjoy. For folks who require those features...it means eating or making a different decision. The whole industry is in a difficult place right now with component shortages and transportation challenges. This is global, too, and every manufacturer is struggling to create inventory to sell so some extent or another.
 
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If the manufacturer cannot get the parts for some features, but they can build and provide sellable inventory rather than taking a long pause and having nothing for the dealers to sell, they are going to do what they are doing with QL, etc.--make vehicles to sell without the feature. Many buyers will not care and some will not even notice. But they will have a new JGC-L that they want and enjoy. For folks who require those features...it means eating or making a different decision. The whole industry is in a difficult place right now with component shortages and transportation challenges. This is global, too, and every manufacturer is struggling to create inventory to sell so some extent or another.
Good points!

I'm looking at next September for an Overland w/off road or a Summit w/hemi. By that time I'm hoping they have the parts and I have the money. 😁
 
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If the manufacturer cannot get the parts for some features, but they can build and provide sellable inventory rather than taking a long pause and having nothing for the dealers to sell, they are going to do what they are doing with QL, etc.--make vehicles to sell without the feature. Many buyers will not care and some will not even notice. But they will have a new JGC-L that they want and enjoy. For folks who require those features...it means eating or making a different decision. The whole industry is in a difficult place right now with component shortages and transportation challenges. This is global, too, and every manufacturer is struggling to create inventory to sell so some extent or another.
It's not okay what Jeep is doing. People order a vehicle with specific advertised parts and Jeep builds a vehicle missing those parts. The customer is then told to buy the car or place a new order and hope it's built with all the parts next time. The new order is now at the back of the line again.

Additionally, we are now in a position where the vehicle guides and advertised standard features are incorrect and do not apply to all vehicles built. Jeep has so far done nothing to update documentation.

What Jeep should do for any customer ordered vehicle is if Jeep does not have all parts contact the customer and offer to delay production until parts are available or accept a vehicle with missing parts. In this case, if the customer chooses to delay production it does not literally mean Jeep has a chassis sitting there waiting for a part to arrive. What it means is Jeep builds the car missing features if they want and send it as a dealer order or allocated to a different customer. The "delayed" customer gets to keep his place in line essentially and will be built as soon as a time occurs where Jeep has all parts needed to fully assemble the vehicle as ordered.
 

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It's not okay what Jeep is doing. People order a vehicle with specific advertised parts and Jeep builds a vehicle missing those parts. The customer is then told to buy the car or place a new order and hope it's built with all the parts next time. The new order is now at the back of the line again.

Additionally, we are now in a position where the vehicle guides and advertised standard features are incorrect and do not apply to all vehicles built. Jeep has so far done nothing to update documentation.

What Jeep should do for any customer ordered vehicle is if Jeep does not have all parts contact the customer and offer to delay production until parts are available or accept a vehicle with missing parts. In this case, if the customer chooses to delay production it does not literally mean Jeep has a chassis sitting there waiting for a part to arrive. What it means is Jeep builds the car missing features if they want and send it as a dealer order or allocated to a different customer. The "delayed" customer gets to keep his place in line essentially and will be built as soon as a time occurs where Jeep has all parts needed to fully assemble the vehicle as ordered.
I'm in total agreement with you. Don't advertise that a particular model comes with X features, than just arbitrarily delete the feaure without giving the customer who ordered said vehicle based on your website as well as dealer order system the opportunity to either accept the vehicle or await the replenishment of missing parts.
 

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I remember back when I got the skittle farting unicorn Jeep, the problem was no DEF tanks.

I get shortages and all, but the shortage of trail badges would just be the icing on the cake. It is way more funny that the other ones.

The chip shortage will probably last into 2022...and ya better hope nothing happens to Taiwan.
 

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The chip shortage will probably last into 2022...and ya better hope nothing happens to Taiwan.
This chip shortage is getting ridiculous. I think, overall, the auto industry would be better served by some increased standardization in components. In Formula One they all run the same ECU and the same dashboard yet Haas and Red Bull are nowhere near each other on a racetrack. In industry terms, it should mean that a Bosch OEM equipment on an Jeep air suspension control is interchangeable with a Calsonic Kansei OEM Toyota air suspension controller or Magneti Marelli controller on a Land Rover. Through programming, additional inputs and some other design (e.g. double air tanks) the various manufacturers may achieve different performance. If AMD and Intel can dictate motherboards to a particular specification, such that an AMD 5950x processor can work in a Gigabyte or an Asus X570 mo-bo (with much of the same performance) so can auto manufacturers, in order to increase their supply chain resiliency.

I am tired of just hearing how the Pandemic affected the world and it is responsible for all the supply shortages. What we are witnessing is the mentality that a good, legitimate crisis should never be wasted to further the company's bottom line.

Based on screenshots presented earlier if the air suspension is deleted on an existing order, the customer receives $750 credit. When was the last time anyone tried to replace an airbag suspension on a corner of a WK2? How much was it? Put all those components together, the 4 airbag struts, the controller, the pumps, the tanks...and all you can come up is $750 dollar credit? Come on now. The chip shortage is real. The greed is greater than the ship shortage.

Finally, since this perpetual blame on the Pandemic frustrates me, many of these chips are made in the East, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, South Korea etc. If you take a moment and think about it, something doesn't add up. The only shitty employers you hear about in the pandemic, forcing workers to work with COVID, are these here in the US. The meatpackers, the warehousing, the goods delivery people etc. Sure that happens in China, or Brazil or Poland. But I have not seen anything published in the international media that BHP or Rio Tinto are experiencing such dire staffing shortages in their mining communities to such a scale that they shut down. That's not because people aren't dying of COVID, but because there is enough workforce to replace a dead or sick worker, and many work while sick because the mine is the only source of income.

And then when it comes to the actual manufacturing, in Asia, most of these countries have struct quarantine rules. Not like Chicago "You must quarantine of you come in the City from Kentucky". In US, how many cases of government enforced and supervised quarantine have you heard of? Go to Taiwan or Australia or Singapore, you are escorted off the plane to a hotel, and told to stay there (with police supervision) 2 weeks, every day you get a tray of food. You stay in the damn hotel for two weeks. China closes entire towns or neighborhoods if someone sneezes due to allergies. I am not saying that is democratic, or that I am in agreement - I am saying this is what they do out there to keep COVID-19 out of the community which ultimately translates in factories being able to work at rather high capacity.

 

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Who says someone ordered and got jipped any feature, bet those ordered sold units get the full monty or wait until they get the parts. I am sure all the others OEMs are pulling the same thing, this isnt just Jeep. If you buy off the lot, then that is on you if you accept one without the feature. Have to be desperate to buy something right now.

Glad I bought a couple of new Wranglers plus have my other cars, so wont have to purchase anything at these inflated prices.
 

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I WAS waiting for the new Summit Reserve 4xe but no QL just killed my intent completely. I am so bummed. Now I have to start looking at other electric or hybrid vehicles in 2022 or just not buy until 2023 (which may be the smartest financial move).
 

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I WAS waiting for the new Summit Reserve 4xe but no QL just killed my intent completely. I am so bummed. Now I have to start looking at other electric or hybrid vehicles in 2022 or just not buy until 2023 (which may be the smartest financial move).
From what I can tell looking at Summit Reserve window stickers, they aren't deleting anything. So I'm sure if the 4xe is available for the 2022 model and you're ordering a Summit Reserve, you'll get the QL.
 

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With the lack of 4L on Limited and now this on Overland I no longer know why I should buy Jeep especially considering the inflated prices of the GC-L.

Guess I will be looking at Explorer Timberline or just get a QX-60 or a high-trim Pathfinder.
 

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Another issue with chip shortage is parts availability. I along with quite a few others have a defective front media hub. It's unclear if a chip is in it, but as of Monday there were only 2 available nationwide. There are >100 on backorder. Hopefully they'll be in stock in a few weeks but my service writer said it could possibly be 2 months. The media hub powers the USB ports and the wireless charging pad. So for me there's no power source in the front of the vehicle. Annoying, but it is what it is.
 

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When they axed the trackhawk, I was finished with my Grand Cherokee dream. 2 weeks after the news I bought a 2021 GMC Sierra AT4 SCA Black Widow. I got my 6.2l but I sure wanted that supercharger. GMC is also shipping vehicles with deleted options but mine was built prior and had already been shipped to SCA Performance.
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