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I'm looking for recommendations for in-dash GPS aftermarket head units to replace my 130S/RES in my 2011 Laredo. What's most important to me is GPS functionality and speed of the unit in terms of responsiveness. Other must haves are good iPhone integration and streaming audio I don't have much experience with aftermarket radios; wondering what folks have used here with success. Or even what to avoid.

Currently, I'm considering Kenwood (uses Garmin GPS), Alpine, and Pioneer radios...
 

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subbie09 has a Kenwood DNX890HD and he loves it. I have an Alpine INE-S920HD and I love it.

Kenwood, Alpine and Pioneer are all top notch brands. You can't go wrong with those 3.

If you have questions regarding installation, etc subbie09 and I are here to help.
 

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Thanks guys, those 2 are on my list. Hopefully it's one of those situations where I'll be happy no matter what I decide.

How involved is the installation? I do know I'd need the Metra dash kit and the PAC connector, and the ability to trim the sub-dash. How difficult is the trimming and also is it easy to run the wires, hook up antennas, etc.?
 

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One last question, does anyone know much about Pioneer's Appradio? It seems to be a high tech GUI for an iPhone/Android and you can basically run apps (nav, music, etc) while your phone is connected via a cable.

Looks pretty slick and is $500 for the top of the line, most recent model....

Apps | Pioneer AppRadio 3
 

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There is another thread around here somewhere covering that model (Appradio). Can't look now, but I may search later if it hasn't turned-up.
 

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Yes you will need a dash kit and the PAC RP4-CH11 interface.

You will need to trim the inside of the dash with a dremel tool. Since this part of the dash isn't visible once the trim piece is back on, then there is no need to worry about how it looks.

I don't have any experience with AppRadio, looks cool, but can't say how functional it is.
 

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Spent a good amount of time researching all sorts of options today. May end up pulling the trigger on this Pioneer, which looks to incorporate some of the AppRadio functions as well as still operating as it's own stand alone GPS/radio unit. Best of both worlds and the price is still a little better than the top of the line Alpine and Kenwood.

AVIC-Z150BH - Flagship In-Dash Navigation AV Receiver with 7" WVGA Touchscreen Display, Bluetooth®, HD Radio™ Tuner, SiriusXM Ready, Built-In Traffic Tuner, and AppRadio Mode for iPhone® and Select Android™ Devices | Pioneer Electroni
 

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I can get it installed for about $150. Is installation easy enough to DIY, or is it worth a professional install for that amount (I know this is subjective).

For the record, I don't have car stereo installation experience, but I'm willing to give it a go. I'm leaning towards getting a backup camera at the same time and just getting it all done professionally at once.
 

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That's a solid radio!

Well you'll need a trim removal tool to remove the dash trim. You'll need to trim the dash with a dremel tool. You'll need to solder wiring (PAC interface harness with headunit harness). The backup camera require the removal of additional trim panels, etc.

You can check out the various headunit threads around here and see if you want to do this yourself or not.

I upgraded everything, headunit, speakers, amp, camera. Took me several weekends to get it all together.
 

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Greetings,

For in-dash GPS headunits, as everybody here as reported, stay with the following brands: Kenwood, Alpine and Pioneer. These brands all use the Navteq maps and iPhone integration does well with the standard media apps either by cable or bluetooth. You are still locked into the existing software engine, were new features could very well not be updated in future firmware updates. In comes down to your budget.

Kenwood uses the Garmin GUI which has a very good routing logic. The different Kenwood models vary due to the built-in processors. I would stay within the Excelon line. My pick would be either the 890 or the 990. The DNN990HD is the closet thing to a tablet in a in-dash unit. The 990 is also based on Garmin's PND 3597 and the current app.

Alpine uses the IGO Primo software engine in all their units. Some folks with the forum found the routing to be decent to great. I have it on my iPhone as an app and IMO it does pretty well. The other nice thing that Alpine uses for sound quality is the Burr-Brown digital to analog converters if you are going directly into aftermarket amps.

Pioneer, finally in the 2013 model year has gotten their act together. They have improved their GPS software engine. I am not sure which version of IGO primo they use. The best place to read more about Pioneer is:

AVIC411.com

With Pioneer, you can go to ways: the dedicated in-dash units or the AVH series and use their external gps device which uses IGO primo as well. In your case, you can go with the z150 and still use the appradio advance mode to tie-in with iPhone integration. I am not sure about how the GPS works while app mode is on. The advantage if you go with the AVH-8500, you get an excellent SQ head unit and the power of the an external processor powering the GPS.

With regards to Pioneers Appradio decks, read the forum section in avic411. A lot of pros and cons with this. JVC (check their website) DVD multimedia decks have a similar function as well. This units do not operate in the traditional way as an in-dash unit. For example, listing to a music source and hearing the GPS voice instructions. You can have the GPS screen up and hear the voice instructions while the music is muted in background. The real advantage when comes to the GPS apps, they update software features a number of times per year as well as the maps. The other thing with Pioneer Appradio decks and GPS apps, check to see if they make use of the external antenna. Garmin and IGO Primo apps are top rated off line maps. TomTom and Sygic are also off-line maps and are due for a major release sometime later this year. I can not tell you about the use of online based maps such as Motion X, since I have never used them. Right now I am playing around with Sygic.

Best for now.:)
 

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Wow, thank you 1JGC, that summary is the best thing I've read on this after a solid 3 days of researching . . . especially re: the GPS. I hadn't even considered the Pioneer DVD receiver; I'm now debating that and Z150BH. I was most concerned about Pioneer's GPS, but it sounds like they've stepped up their game. And if their maps go out of date, I can always use my phone apps through the AppRadio feature. Sounds like this is the one that suits me best.
 

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Wow, thank you 1JGC, that summary is the best thing I've read on this after a solid 3 days of researching . . . especially re: the GPS. I hadn't even considered the Pioneer DVD receiver; I'm now debating that and Z150BH. I was most concerned about Pioneer's GPS, but it sounds like they've stepped up their game. And if their maps go out of date, I can always use my phone apps through the AppRadio feature. Sounds like this is the one that suits me best.
+1 on the AVIC-Z150BH
 

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Wow, thank you 1JGC, that summary is the best thing I've read on this after a solid 3 days of researching . . . especially re: the GPS. I hadn't even considered the Pioneer DVD receiver; I'm now debating that and Z150BH. I was most concerned about Pioneer's GPS, but it sounds like they've stepped up their game. And if their maps go out of date, I can always use my phone apps through the AppRadio feature. Sounds like this is the one that suits me best.

I had the z140 in my old car and then installed it into the GC. No complaints and the z150 is supposed to be much better.
 

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Wow, thank you 1JGC, that summary is the best thing I've read on this after a solid 3 days of researching . . . especially re: the GPS. I hadn't even considered the Pioneer DVD receiver; I'm now debating that and Z150BH. I was most concerned about Pioneer's GPS, but it sounds like they've stepped up their game. And if their maps go out of date, I can always use my phone apps through the AppRadio feature. Sounds like this is the one that suits me best.
Greetings,

Your welcome.

I believe the Pioneer map SD-card updates are once a year. As I mentioned in my previous post, I am not sure which version of IGO Primo they use. If it is up on the naviextras site, then map updates are more frequent on line. The Pioneer external U250 GPS is listed. Alpine as well is updated via the site.

https://www.naviextras.com/shop/portal/home


I myself is currently in the debate as you are in. I want the best in iPhone integration and the best GPS. The current idea that looking into is running a Pioneer AVH multimedia headunit just for the media part, plus I have the ability to tap into the Appradio advance mode. This will be a dedicated screen for that purpose only.

For the GPS portion, I am thinking of using a Personal Navigation Device or the iPad mini so I can have full time screen devoted for the GPS. The voice instructions will intergratged into the stereo. The other positive aspect using the iPad mini, I have a dedicated travel device with the apps I need. When I do not need it, I than can use a GPS app on the phone via the Pioneer.

In the past year playing with different off-line GPS apps, I have found them to be head of the game, whereas, the in-dash is still stuck on the old technology including screen resolution. Pioneer gives you the most flexibility this days and Kenwood with DNN990HD has really stepped up. And, yes, Alpine by changing the GPS engine stepped up as well, but not fully into the phone integration. As you can see, I am still not satisfied with current 2013 in-dash gps lineup.

As always, when in doubt, just ask, folks here come to assistance of fellow Jeep owners.

Best for now.:)
 

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UPDATE:

After some deliberation, I elected to go with the Kenwood Excelon DNX890HD. All set for installation this Saturday (assuming the unit arrives on time). I'm also installing the Kenwood CMOS-310 rear view camera.

I have dug through many installation threads, read through Crutchfield, and determined that I needed the following for my Laredo E:

Metra 40-EU10 Antenna Adapter
Metra 95-6513B Installation Kit
PAC RP4-CH11 Harness

I think that's all I need for a clean install; am I missing anything (besides an amp and new speakers :))?
 

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UPDATE:

After some deliberation, I elected to go with the Kenwood Excelon DNX890HD. All set for installation this Saturday (assuming the unit arrives on time). I'm also installing the Kenwood CMOS-310 rear view camera.

I have dug through many installation threads, read through Crutchfield, and determined that I needed the following for my Laredo E:

Metra 40-EU10 Antenna Adapter
Metra 95-6513B Installation Kit
PAC RP4-CH11 Harness

I think that's all I need for a clean install; am I missing anything (besides an amp and new speakers :))?
Excellent!:thumbsup:

If you want SiriusXM, you'll need the SXV200 tuner
 

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Ah, yes, I had forgotten that. I don't really ever use Sirius much when I've had free trials, but it may be worth throwing in now so I don't have to worry about it in the future. Stupid question of the day . . . can the existing Sirius antenna in my Jeep be used in place of this one? I realize I'd still need to use the tuner.
 

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You won't be disappointed. Perform the update with the newest software and it won't by choppy. You will love the control over the equalizer and dsp functions.

I cancelled my Sirius off my stocker, and bought Pandora. Cheaper and better. Please let me know if you have questions since I am running this HU for 3 weeks now
 

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Subbie - I'm glad you chimed in since I've discovered that I'm pretty much mimicking your Jeep! I'm a heavy Spotify user and sometimes use Pandora as well. Have you happened to run Spotify through your HU?

Next on my wishlist for my white Jeep are the Alpine Grill and rear brow, upgraded speakers, and a stealthbox. I'd also like to upgrade the 17" Laredo wheels, but just knocking things out 1 thing at a time
 
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