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I got around to installing the deAuto LED bulbs for comparison on Saturday. It was a nice sunny day perfect for a daylight bulb comparison. Imagine my surprise to find that the bulbs produce white light! I checked the packing slip and although the description doesn't mention the color, it does say "Universal Rear Turn Signal LEDs". I'm not aware of any cars that use white turn signals so obviously this is a picking error or mispackaged bulbs. I have contacted them using the contact form on their website to find out how to get replacements. They promise 24-hour response time so we'll see what they say. This kind of error happens occasionally with any product so I would not hold it against them as long as they rectify the issue well.
 

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I got around to installing the deAuto LED bulbs for comparison on Saturday. It was a nice sunny day perfect for a daylight bulb comparison. Imagine my surprise to find that the bulbs produce white light! I checked the packing slip and although the description doesn't mention the color, it does say "Universal Rear Turn Signal LEDs". I'm not aware of any cars that use white turn signals so obviously this is a picking error or mispackaged bulbs. I have contacted them using the contact form on their website to find out how to get replacements. They promise 24-hour response time so we'll see what they say. This kind of error happens occasionally with any product so I would not hold it against them as long as they rectify the issue well.

My deautoled light up red but the OEM light up white and it is the red housing that makes the light red. They may have changed them.
 

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With LED lights, you always want to use the same color LED as the lens it's behind... red LEDs behind red taillights, amber LEDs behind amber turn signals lenses, etc. If you use white LEDs (as you would with incandescent bulbs) then you end up with washed-out color (pink brake lights). In this case, it's a clear lens so it needs amber LEDs for use as turn signals. That's because I have made the programming change to European style lights using the diagFCA software - converts the outer portion of the backup lights to turn signals and leaves the red lights as running/brake lights only.
 

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The new style (black housing) bulbs I have from deAuto light up red. The originals lasted 8-10 months before they started to throw error codes. The one the was working was only lit up halfway....no code in that one though
Hopefully these last longer....$50 a pair gets expensive if they dont last
 

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The lamps didn't work out for my on my MY12, but the company has good customer service; ships fast, replaces fast and returns fast if that's required. I also used the reverse lamps (really nice and bright) as well as some interior and license plate lamps. Only the stop/turn/tails were an issue and that's likely just because the vehicle's electronics just couldn't handle them consistently. They "worked", but with intermittent issues. Later model years are less likely to be as sensitive.
Hi, that is an older design you are speaking of it seems. They have a brand new setup now.

In another thread about deAuto bulbs (which has been closed), I posted that I would buy a pair of 7440 LED bulbs to see if they could compete with the V-LED bulbs I currently have for rear turn signals. If they were at least as bright, I would keep them but if they weren't I would return them. Either way I would post my findings.

I just received the bulbs. Here is what they look like...

I'm sure the 3157 is identical except for the base. It looks fairly well made which is a promising sign. The wrap-around layout of the LEDs should fill the lamp reflector well.

I will probably wait for the weekend before installing and comparing because the switch to standard time has made it quite dark by the time I get home from work - all bulbs look bright at night so a comparison in daylight will be more revealing.
That is the reverse 7440 white. That is not the Amber or 3157 Red. Both are different designs to avoid any confusion.

zacharyartman photo below is what the red 3157 look like - black pcb board and white diodes - very bright and NO errors - they can be found here:

And reverse - yes insanely bright:

And ALL LEDs:

Our brake/tail are red
Amber turns
And white LEDs
You do not want to place a white LED behind a red lens.

The Wizard - the team should help you with the mix-up right away. Thanks for sharing


You can't really tell from this but it's the best I could do without taking the lights off. LED's are in the front and all around.
 

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Well yes, I will admit that they have responded in a timely manner. Then they said that they sent the white bulbs because they assumed I was wrong and actually wanted 7440 backup light bulbs since they had never heard of 7440 amber turn signals in the back of a JGC (despite European models being configured that way). So much for "these bulbs have been tested in every model to prove they are the best" (paraphrasing). And what kind of customer service is it to send something different just because you think the customer doesn't know what he really wants? I'm still open to that being just a mistake but we'll see what happens next.

The jury is still out and I will try to keep an open mind. But I will say that the white bulbs were not as bright as the existing amber bulbs from V-LED. That's really unexpected because white is usually the brightest color if everything else is equal (i.e. with two bulbs of the same make and model, one white and the other amber, the white one will always be brighter). That would imply that the 7440 amber bulbs will be somewhat less bright than the white ones I received which were already less bright than my existing amber bulbs. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on events.
 

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Well yes, I will admit that they have responded in a timely manner. Then they said that they sent the white bulbs because they assumed I was wrong and actually wanted 7440 backup light bulbs since they had never heard of 7440 amber turn signals in the back of a JGC (despite European models being configured that way). So much for "these bulbs have been tested in every model to prove they are the best" (paraphrasing). And what kind of customer service is it to send something different just because you think the customer doesn't know what he really wants? I'm still open to that being just a mistake but we'll see what happens next.

The jury is still out and I will try to keep an open mind. But I will say that the white bulbs were not as bright as the existing amber bulbs from V-LED. That's really unexpected because white is usually the brightest color if everything else is equal (i.e. with two bulbs of the same make and model, one white and the other amber, the white one will always be brighter). That would imply that the 7440 amber bulbs will be somewhat less bright than the white ones I received which were already less bright than my existing amber bulbs. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on events.
There is a misunderstanding here to their email. I contacted them. They sent the 7440 white by accident thinking you needed reverse and not seeing turn signals on the order. That was their fault and will fix it.

I saw the email and they always email when someone orders a turn to learn more about year/make/model and forgot this time. But they did not knowingly send 7440 white when you wanted amber. That was a mistake.

And to further confirm you ordered a universal 7440 rear turn. They had no idea you needed it for a Jeep rear turn - they never emailed or confirmed. So what you are saying is simply not something they could have thought and I think reading their email your understanding of what they meant was misunderstood due to their wording.

They also do not think at all that amber would be less bright. Again, the reason why they sent 7440 white is because they read it as reverse and not rear turn. That was their mistake they are working to fix.

They always send:
turn signals: amber
reverse: white
brake: red
 

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All things being equal (as The Wizard mentions) a bulb that deviates from a generally neutral Kelvin rating of 4,300-5,000k (white) will always produce less effective lumens. There isn't a subjectiveness to his statement, it's the general physics at play.
 

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Hi, that is an older design you are speaking of it seems. They have a brand new setup now.
Sorry, but I tried the newer ones, too, at your expense while I still owned the vehicle. Three iterations, if I recall clearly. ;)

To be clear, I'm not unhappy with your products or your service. Both have been excellent. But my MY12 was not happy with LEDs, yours or others, in the brake/tail/turn location.
 

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Sorry, but I tried the newer ones, too, at your expense while I still owned the vehicle. Three iterations, if I recall clearly. ;)

To be clear, I'm not unhappy with your products or your service. Both have been excellent. But my MY12 was not happy with LEDs, yours or others, in the brake/tail/turn location.
Thank you for the info.
 

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This is getting ridiculous. I am now getting emails in real time from the vendor referring to this thread as well as these posts. So let me clarify...

Apparently, the white bulbs were sent in error rather than because they thought I ordered the wrong bulbs.

The packing slip says "Universal Rear Turn Signal LEDs" (emphasis added) so they should have been amber - there should have been no question that I was not ordering backup lights. For the moment, I am willing to accept that it was just a picking/packing error. I'm sure that with all the fuss now I'll be getting the correct ones as replacements.

There also seems to be some confusion about my white vs. amber comment. I was not trying to say that they sent white bulbs so that they would be brighter... that would be stupid. I was saying that since I had installed the new bulb on one side anyway, I compared its brightness to the existing amber bulb on the other side. I found that the new bulb was not brighter - perhaps even not as bright. That does not bode well for how bright the amber one will be when it arrives since an amber bulb of the same model as a white bulb will always be less bright. IOW, if the white one already wasn't brighter, what are the chances that the amber one will be? And to answer the email question I just got from the vendor... yes, I had them in the right way (polarity was not the issue and all diodes appeared to be lit).

Now they are sending two different models of amber bulbs - black base ones like the ones I received and orange base ones. I don't know the difference but I will be more than happy to try them out and see how well they work. It will be interesting if the orange based ones are better because then they should promote those on their website.

I really am hopeful that one of these bulbs will be brighter. Not that the V-LED bulbs haven't been excellent but brighter is always better. So I'm looking forward to trying them out.
 

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This is getting ridiculous. I am now getting emails in real time from the vendor referring to this thread as well as these posts. So let me clarify...

Apparently, the white bulbs were sent in error rather than because they thought I ordered the wrong bulbs.

The packing slip says "Universal Rear Turn Signal LEDs" (emphasis added) so they should have been amber - there should have been no question that I was not ordering backup lights. For the moment, I am willing to accept that it was just a picking/packing error. I'm sure that with all the fuss now I'll be getting the correct ones as replacements.

There also seems to be some confusion about my white vs. amber comment. I was not trying to say that they sent white bulbs so that they would be brighter... that would be stupid. I was saying that since I had installed the new bulb on one side anyway, I compared its brightness to the existing amber bulb on the other side. I found that the new bulb was not brighter - perhaps even not as bright. That does not bode well for how bright the amber one will be when it arrives since an amber bulb of the same model as a white bulb will always be less bright. IOW, if the white one already wasn't brighter, what are the chances that the amber one will be? And to answer the email question I just got from the vendor... yes, I had them in the right way (polarity was not the issue and all diodes appeared to be lit).

Now they are sending two different models of amber bulbs - black base ones like the ones I received and orange base ones. I don't know the difference but I will be more than happy to try them out and see how well they work. It will be interesting if the orange based ones are better because then they should promote those on their website.

I really am hopeful that one of these bulbs will be brighter. Not that the V-LED bulbs haven't been excellent but brighter is always better. So I'm looking forward to trying them out.
I want to start by saying the entire team wants to apologize about the amount of time you spent on this and to thank you for all the attention you showed.

Thanks for clearing this up. I asked them how the mistake happened and it was simply human error. They had a lot of reverse that day and that order was mixed in the pile and the associate did not catch it and sent reverse. (the label also said reverse not rear turns).

For vled turns vs their white reverse I won't deny what you are seeing. All I can comment and confirm many are using the 7440 as reverse and what I seen in person they are very bright and light up a wide area.

i think this photo says a lot. Without the reverse on this is a pitch black back ally with no other lighting. With reverse on it lights up enough so you can see everything:
 

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I have the DeAutoLED bulbs in the brake lights of my ‘17 GC. I originally had their first gen bulbs and they worked great for about 10 months but one went out causing an error code. I contacted DeAutoLED and they replaced both bulbs with their newer bulb with a black body (posted above). The new bulb has been running strong for over a year. Great product and great customer service.

the DeAutoLED bulbs don’t require a resistor which is great. External resistors get HOT. I tested a Sylvania LED bulb with a resistor and the resistor reached almost 300 degrees in just 3 minutes! I also have a set of VLEDS BULBS V6 Triton bulbs sitting in the garage that I bought for if/when/just in case the DeAutoLED bulbs die. I tested VLEDS resistor and in RUNNING mode, they hit 79 degree. In BRAKE mode, they hit 160.
Thanks for sharing your feedback.
 

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Yeah I have them. They are a little brighter than the stock. Here's a short side by side video of them with the OEM. Got them December 2018... not sure if they've changed since then. I can try to take a picture of the LED through the housing.

Thanks for sharing the video. It is the same model that is being sent out now. Very popular and sold out again. It is in stock in a few days and everyone has been notified. So if you do order now it will deliver in a few days:

The overall brightness is much brighter than OEM and many competitors without any need for resistors. Meaning that extra light that is in the housing that shines past OEM really makes a big difference along with the quicker light-up times to alert others when you brake and signal.
 

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It's been a while since I updated this thread. There was a delay in shipping the replacement bulbs - not deAuto's fault, the post office messed it up somehow. I have now received two sets of amber 7440 bulbs. One model has a yellow base and looks like a standard LED bulb. The other model has a black base and a somewhat unique layout of LEDs. Both models seem well built with sturdy metal frames and a solid base. I'm looking forward to trying them out this weekend and comparing them to my existing LED bulbs. If I can get meaningful pictures I'll post them on Monday but I'll post a review in any case.
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I finally got a chance to install the new bulbs yesterday and compare them in daylight conditions. I found that both sets were equally as bright as the V-LED bulbs I already had. In daylight that's all I could say. In the shadows later in the day, the yellow base bulbs were still about the same as the V-LED bulbs but the black base ones appeared to fill out the reflector just a little better and so appeared just a little brighter. The difference was quite minor and subjective - I have no equipment to measure actual output - but it was enough for me to leave the black base ones installed in place of the V-LED bulbs.

This morning while following my wife to work, it did seem that these new bulbs were visible from a greater distance. That could be the lighting conditions (just before dawn) or just wishful thinking on my part but I'm pleased with the results. I would not say that the difference is anywhere near enough to justify replacing good bulbs if you already have them but I would say that these bulbs are worth considering if you're in the market for good LED bulbs (i.e. not the cheap eBay or Amazon ones). These are on par with the similarly priced V-LED and Diode Dynamics bulbs.

If you really want the brightest on the market then V-LED Tritons are still the leader but they don't fit in many situations - JGC tail lights being one of them - and they are much more expensive.

I will admit that my findings are a pleasant surprise. All the hype and lack of any concrete information about these bulbs had made me skeptical but they turned out to be a good product.
 
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