Buddy, I would buy one if I could get it but our production doesn't even start for Diesel until September!You guys in the USA really need to drive a V6 diesel. It is by far the best engine choice. I am from Australia, and I have tried all 3, and the diesel engine is really impressive. When doing the maths for the extra cost, dont forget to include the added resale value. Here in Oz, a 3 yr old GC diesel, sells for 7k more than a hemi.
Yes, you totally missed the point... Everyone agreed a long time ago that no one is comparing the V6 to the Diesel as they are completely different Animals! You don't buy the V6 for the highest towing capacity or the power and speed.... You would buy the Diesel for these things.Putting aside the fact that the diesels STILL aren't around one has to factor in the extra cost. Here in the US the diesel add $4500 to the cost. Assuming Jeep's number are right, a diesel model gets about 15% better mileage than the V6. Not too bad to start, but here in the US diesel fuel runs a good 15% MORE than gasoline.
Assuming 12,000 miles per year at an average of, say, 20 mpg for the gas engine we get about 600 gallons per year. At an average of $3.75 that's $2250 per year in gasoline.
Turning now to diesel, if we again assume 12,000 miles and an average of 24 mpg, this time at $4.30 per gallon, we get 500 gallons of fuel at an annual cost of roughly $2150--only $100 per year difference!
True, these are inexact calculations and based on my area's pricing, but even on a rough basis it would take me a very, very long time to recoup the $4500 premium, even assuming a 100% return at trade/sale. Of course, this does not factor in the possibility that the diesel could depreciate less. It could also, as we've seen with other US diesels, depreciate MORE. I kept it even.
Bottom line: Much as I'd like the diesel I cannot make an economic case for it, especially since dealers would likely look at it as "new" and refuse to negotiate to the same extent. Instead of invoice less 5% I may be looking at close to sticker!
If I've missed anything let me know......
Threads in this forum already discussing this very subject. Why would anyone compare the V6 to the Diesel in any way to be economical??? It is a $4500 upgrade you are totally correct so why would someone who is worried only about cost of operation at 12,000 miles per year even consider that?I do not follow.
Who is "everyone" and what have they "agreed" to? Also, what is wrong with 12K annual miles? What is a "real amount" of driving?
I value acceleration, passing ponder the economic case for a $4500 diesel option. From what I've read the 0-60 times and passing aren't hugely different from the V6. Given the $4500 premium and higher cost of diesel fuel I'm trying to make sense of the equation.
Totally agree that towing and very high mileage drivers may see a sooner benefit to the diesel.
In your situation likely the V6 makes sence and the which engine thing always gets heated because everybody with a Hemi says you should buy one and everyone with a V6 says you should buy that (painting in broad strokes here but you get the idea).That's the problem w/ the internet. Tone does not come through! I wasn't disagreeing with or rebuking the Australian gentleman, but seeking clarification.
I am, however, curious as to EPA ratings & the diesel. Most gas vehicles don't get near the EPA ratings except if driven juuuust a certain way---and not like normal people do! Is it your experience that diesels are the opposite and owners routinely exceed EPA ratings by a considerable margin? That would indeed be interesting. Don't recall reading anything like that in the usual auto mags (C&D, R&T, etc), but then again articles on diesels are generally few and far between. For me, who doesn't tow and only drives around 12k/year I can't see getting it. Wouldn't mind actually driving one, but thus far they seem more rumor and speculation then anything else. Sure hope they don't end up like the last diesels Jeep tried. If I recall they didn't do too well, but these seem much better situated.
Too bad the diesel wasn't already out for awhile here in the US so we could hear from actual owners. It will likely be here about when I'd consider orrdering, but I doubt the dealers would give the same deals on them as they do the more plebeian V6s. I will pay more for certain kinds of performance. That's why I got a 335xi instead of a 328xi. I'd love a 550, but can't justify the premium. For now I am thinking about an Overland, which may go to the wife in a few years. Perhaps a 535 may then be in the cards.
Welcome to JeepGarage!Meeting with VW tomorrow about buying this turd from us and my next stop will be for a new GC Overland in white with the Indigo interior and the 3.6. I want all the fuel mileage I can get and you can count on the fact that fuel prices aren't going down any time soon.
Based on your prior comments I would say the V6 is still a good fit for you. As all of your points were valid for lower miles etc. it may just be a better fit.Excellent points. Unfortunately, there are no diesels to even test drive!
The lease on my BMW ends in October. If i am to order a new vehicle I must do so by mid to late August at the latest.
I am very interested in the diesel, but am hesitant due to Jeep's past failure with one in the US before, lack of availability, likelihood of a better 'deal" and uncertain reliability. If memory serves the last time Jeep tried a diesel in the US it more or less "bombed". Still.....I wouldn't mind actually driving one to see if its worth the extra $. I've acquired 335xis over 328s and 530s instead of 528s, so I don't solely look at numbers.