Jeep Grand Cherokee Moose Test -- Full Story
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so whacha gonna do sell the car?
don't let a video **** up your head man
just drive it safely. I don't think you will be crazy enough to turn the car all the sudden like that would you now?
This is a fault and everyone is aware of and it have been posted before. There is no machine, car, phone, software that will release without faults!
that why in a process there should be always a feed back and then they will fix these faults.
You could trade in your car for SRT8 or wait for 2014 model which we hope will not have this issue.
End of the story bro
don't let a video **** up your head man
just drive it safely. I don't think you will be crazy enough to turn the car all the sudden like that would you now?
This is a fault and everyone is aware of and it have been posted before. There is no machine, car, phone, software that will release without faults!
that why in a process there should be always a feed back and then they will fix these faults.
You could trade in your car for SRT8 or wait for 2014 model which we hope will not have this issue.
End of the story bro
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I still don't see any rolling....
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If you watch, they use a LOT more steering in the Jeep. In fact, he goes full lock, then opposite full lock in the Jeep, whereas in the others, you can clearly see that they use a lot less steering, and they actually have a noticeable pause where the vehicle isn't receiving any steering input at all.
Bottom line? Hit the damn moose, and don't try to swerve like an idiot. You can't control the vehicle well enough to do that, and the vehicle isn't designed for that sort of thing. Hit the moose, get a new car. Simple as that.
Bottom line? Hit the damn moose, and don't try to swerve like an idiot. You can't control the vehicle well enough to do that, and the vehicle isn't designed for that sort of thing. Hit the moose, get a new car. Simple as that.
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I sent an email to the mag. I wanna see a WK2 SRT8!!
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This was proven fake. he driver wasn't even wearing a helmet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0tYD_nIoJk proper testing would of been this. outriggers and all. you obviously see the ESC working on this video.
Anything can be disabled by the snip of a wire...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0tYD_nIoJk proper testing would of been this. outriggers and all. you obviously see the ESC working on this video.
Anything can be disabled by the snip of a wire...
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Wow the ignorant comments on here are astounding.
IF this car has a problem Jeep need to fix it. Having front tyres blow out, or the car nearly roll is unacceptable.
Why do people not think this is not a bad thing, I sure as hell do and I am now concerned that any evasive manoeuvres on my car could result in a dangerous situation.
IF this car has a problem Jeep need to fix it. Having front tyres blow out, or the car nearly roll is unacceptable.
Why do people not think this is not a bad thing, I sure as hell do and I am now concerned that any evasive manoeuvres on my car could result in a dangerous situation.
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Try searching Youtube for "fail moose test". Not the only or even most spectacular. OTOH an opportunity for someone to make an "Autocross and Moose Evasion" handling kit available (n/a with QL).
See also "Scandinavian flick", looks like what they were doing. Can be impressive with the right car.
See also "Scandinavian flick", looks like what they were doing. Can be impressive with the right car.
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The driver was working very hard (and skillfully) to maximize the effect. The cars provided for comparison were not going as fast and seem to be on a smoother surface. I'd like to see the outrigged test done on an imperfect bumpy road, not a smooth surface.
That being said, I have noticed a disconcerting bounce and wallowing effect in some conditions, like driving through the curvy and bumpy part of I84 west side of Hartford CT just a tad on the faster than you should side. I think you can see the bounce on the video. I haven't had a car/truck do this in years (not even my Dodge 2500 mega cab). Seems like the WK2 QL suspension is not all that well damped, to me. I was thinking of getting stiffer shocks, at least for the rear.
How would the coil sprung WK2 perform in this test?
That being said, I have noticed a disconcerting bounce and wallowing effect in some conditions, like driving through the curvy and bumpy part of I84 west side of Hartford CT just a tad on the faster than you should side. I think you can see the bounce on the video. I haven't had a car/truck do this in years (not even my Dodge 2500 mega cab). Seems like the WK2 QL suspension is not all that well damped, to me. I was thinking of getting stiffer shocks, at least for the rear.
How would the coil sprung WK2 perform in this test?
Full agreement! No need to defend a GC, I think everybody here likes it and bought it on purpose. However, there seems to be an issue with it discovered by a Magazine who is known for doing this testing for years.
What I expected from Chrysler is, that they take this seriously, investigate and openly face this to take care about their product. I am disaapointed about the evasive maneuvers they did in the press (which will be definitly lethal for selling numbers). I just remember a mat issue under a braking pedal, wasn't that a Toyota?
I understand that a new car has a glitch here and there, but what is the problem for a company to admit that they put cars early on the street and then get that fixed? 4wd-service, defective key-fobs, clunking noises, QL issues and now this, not a good start for the most selling, award winning SUV. I love my Jeep and will keep, so far. Still trusting Chrysler, that they put all the effort in getting all the issues fixed.
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Not excusing Jeep, but I'd like to see a few more SUVs in this test...just would be nice to see how a 4Runner or a Pathfinder would do.
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Mine has the stock coil springs, not even the load levelling shocks and has never felt unsafe to me. I do have to wonder if any suspension dampning was disabled. We do not get moose here but random tourists require similar evasion.
Will say that a good driver can sense harmonics & either dampen or re-enforce them (Amazing how you can make a Fiero dance with a few flics & never change speed or lane. Tailgating stops.)
Might mention that I do have some experience in yout (SCCA Nat'l, IMSA, FIA) but decided a few years ago that family was more important.
Will say that a good driver can sense harmonics & either dampen or re-enforce them (Amazing how you can make a Fiero dance with a few flics & never change speed or lane. Tailgating stops.)
Might mention that I do have some experience in yout (SCCA Nat'l, IMSA, FIA) but decided a few years ago that family was more important.
The failed moose test in the Mercedes A-class led finally into the now almost everywhere present stability controls.
Since that test is done for years, the the results are somewhat comparable, the other SUV´s shown handle much better (Touareg and Volvo)
Of course, it is completely unacceptable if tires pop of the rims, that should not happen under any circumstances.
Part of the problem has already be located in the weight of the GC, obviously not consistent with the manufacturers specifications.
Since already all sensors necessary for the stability control are installed, a software solution might be easily done.
Good Luck
Achim
Since that test is done for years, the the results are somewhat comparable, the other SUV´s shown handle much better (Touareg and Volvo)
Of course, it is completely unacceptable if tires pop of the rims, that should not happen under any circumstances.
Part of the problem has already be located in the weight of the GC, obviously not consistent with the manufacturers specifications.
Since already all sensors necessary for the stability control are installed, a software solution might be easily done.
Good Luck
Achim
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I wonder if a better/different tire would not pop off the rim.
Folks don't drive in the conditions shown in the video routinely, and typically don't try to make things bounce, just slam on the brake and turn. Folks are typically use the throttle all the time.. did you hear some fords, escapes I think, are showing symptoms of a sticky throttle, i. e. not returning to idle.
Folks don't drive in the conditions shown in the video routinely, and typically don't try to make things bounce, just slam on the brake and turn. Folks are typically use the throttle all the time.. did you hear some fords, escapes I think, are showing symptoms of a sticky throttle, i. e. not returning to idle.
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What's the ultimate purpose of this test? Whats it trying to prove? No rolling, a few blown tires, and no injuries so far. Seems like a pass in my book. Again, not an ideal outcome, but nothing catastrophic has happened from these tests. Some people get way to worked up over media hype and blow things out of proportion.
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Too late, German engineers already did
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Yes 20's are a bit much for 5000 lbs suv.Much better with 18'' or 17'' wheels.
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