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I hope they sell like crazy.

"Chrysler will reportedly hire 1,105 new workers for the Toledo factory."



 

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I don't see this design moving that many units in one year. The Liberty couldn't even break 70,000 last year (although older, I think the exterior of this vehicle will be just as big of a turn off as dismal gas mileage and plastic interior). I hope they do manage to reach that output as that means more jobs but I'm skeptical.
 

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I have seen the interior and it is far from "dismal" It is in fact WORLD CLASS! The 3.2 will be a beast in this vehicle. The 4wd capability will be unmatched in its class.
 

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I hope they sell like crazy.

"Chrysler will reportedly hire 1,105 new workers for the Toledo factory."
That would be awesome!
 

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I don't see this design moving that many units in one year. The Liberty couldn't even break 70,000 last year (although older, I think the exterior of this vehicle will be just as big of a turn off as dismal gas mileage and plastic interior). I hope they do manage to reach that output as that means more jobs but I'm skeptical.
Yes it did. 75k, (NOT COUNTING EXPORTS, CANADA AND MEXICO) and there's still some left on lots right now...

I believe close to 100k 2012 KKs were made.
 

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They'll be lucky to move 15k units per year with looks like that.

We all called it though, they're delaying the vehicle accord to WSJ. They're claiming there were a multitude of factors including "compressed budgets for tooling".

Yeah right, they realized they had buggered the whole exterior up (which WSJ notes is because they tried to save money by re-using an Alfa design), and pulled the plug before they really hurt themselves. All this thing needs is an exterior redesign to be a good vehicle. Luckily it sounds like someone had the balls to pull the plug before it was too late on this monstrosity.

This is a very important vehicle for Jeep. They have to prove they didn't just get lucky with the WK2 thanks to MB's input. The Cherokee, if done right, has the potential to be the volume seller. If done wrong, it could be a massive mistake.

Personally, I don't care much about the name Cherokee, I never owned an XJ or anything like that. But, I would like a vehicle as upscale as my GC Overland, with a bit less heft and capability (but still capable of taking me down whatever snowy, dirt covered roads I need to take to get to the ski lodge), a bit more fuel economy, but the same CLASSIC AND RUGGED Jeep styling. I don't want something "contemporary", if I want that, I'll buy a damn import. I want something that looks like it should be a Jeep, the new Compass has this in spades. Patriot has this, GC has this, and the KK Liberty has this.

Bottom line, pulling the plug on that exterior is the best choice. Not letting an atrocious exterior ruin what likely will be a nice interior, a decent powertrain (frankly I would have liked it better if they just used the 3.6L for a bit more power and economy of scale engine cost reduction), and a vehicle that has the potential to help Jeep out a lot is the right thing to do.

This vehicle will face STIFF competition, and needs to have every advantage it can. Saying it can offroad better than the others won't do it any good. Forester can offroad and nobody cares. Rav4, Escape, CR-V, Equinox/Terrain, Sante Fe, and you've even got smaller vehicles like Compass, Tucson/Sportage, etc. that will give this thing very stiff competition. Not to mention if its as "World Class" as we're told to believe, it will face competition from above like X1/X3, GLK/GLA, Q5/Q3, etc. and will likely have a price disadvantage compared to its more mainstream rivals.

This is vehicle that's very much on my radar as a 2nd Jeep for my better half. But not with that vomit inducing front end.

EDIT: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/23/jeep-cherokee-faces-on-sale-delay/
 

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Surprised if they could even manage an exterior redesign of front end at this late stage of the game. The thing debuts in NYC this week in it's existing form. I was thinking maybe a quick year 2 refresh.
 

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Without revealing too much info...

It's only a few week delay. That's NOT enough time to redesign it. Some issues with producing it, engine volume production, tweaks, etc are the cause.

Has nothing to do with Fiat.
 

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I have seen the interior and it is far from "dismal" It is in fact WORLD CLASS! The 3.2 will be a beast in this vehicle. The 4wd capability will be unmatched in its class.
I was referring to the outgoing Liberty's interior/gas mileage, not the new Cherokee. In my opinion, I think the exterior will turn more people away from the vehicle despite having a nicer interior (going off spy shots) and significantly better gas mileage than the outgoing Liberty. I did make a mistake on the number of sales from 2012 but I still don't see this vehicle with its current front end outselling the Liberty by 2.5 times but we shall see. I really hope this vehicle looks better in person than in the photos. The design is slowly looking more attractive to me but I was hoping for a little more traditional front end. With that said, I'm hoping for some pleasant surprises on Thursday.
 

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we will have the reveal on the 27th at 12:01 am edt RIGHT HERE! Ive got like 75 pics and full specs
 

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we will have the reveal on the 27th at 12:01 am edt RIGHT HERE! Ive got like 75 pics and full specs
WOW! You have the real pics? I'm sure you're under NDA, but I'm dying to know if Jeep made any tweaks since the pre-production pics were leaked.
 

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This thing is a mess IMHO.
 

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WOW! You have the real pics? I'm sure you're under NDA, but I'm dying to know if Jeep made any tweaks since the pre-production pics were leaked.
Samo, samo, no changes to speak of. As Marlon noted, nowhere near enough time to alter the design, it would take at least a year to do that. I think the Trailhawk version looks a little better than the Limited model that Chrysler revealed last month. And the rear styling, don't think it's going to go over well either. The interior however is very nicely done, and the specs are decent, some very innovative technologies. Gonna be real interesting to see the reactions when unveiled live in NY.
 

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It's gonna be more of the same. "AHHH MY EYES I'M BLIND" or "*VOMIT*" will be the two most common I think.

Major mis-step here. Marchionne should have Gilles' head on a stake for this.
 

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And the rear styling, don't think it's going to go over well either. The interior however is very nicely done, and the specs are decent, some very innovative technologies. Gonna be real interesting to see the reactions when unveiled live in NY.
I wondered why no pics had been released of the back end of the vehicle .
 

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the rear end is not that bad......
 

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I wondered why no pics had been released of the back end of the vehicle .
No pictures were planned until the official unveiling at NY auto show but a pic of the front end got leaked on a website last month so Chrysler chose to release some pictures but held back pictures of other angles until the official planned release.
 
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