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With the WL not arriving until calendar year 2021 and the Model Y arriving calendar year 2020, I will be taking a hard look at the Model Y before buying a WL. Seeing it online has me interested. The Model X didn't do it for me especially at that price with the complicated falcon wing rear doors and my parking garage arrangement.

Any WK2 owners out there that also own a Tesla? If so, what are your thoughts on the two?
 

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I bought my WK2 for long trips, much of it on outback dirt roads pulling a camper trailer and some off-road driving so for me, an electric car is as yet out of the question.
 

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I think that @mswlogo has a Tesla if I'm not mistaken.
 

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I think that @mswlogo has a Tesla if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, I remember. He loves his Tesla. A Model Y wouldn't be for all WK2 owners, obviously, as some do some heavy off road and remote uses. Maybe for them as a second vehicle. For me, it could work as a primary vehicle. The negative is the Model Y has the simplified dashboard versus the better one in the S and X. Model Y has an impressive performance version and all the techie stuff at a decent price. I look forward to a test drive... might test drive a Model 3 beforehand since similar interiors.
 

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While the Model Y is supposedly going to be available in 2020, there's every bit the likely scenario where it will be delayed and because of anticipated demand (because it's an affordable SUV type EV), the wait may be long. Be sure to factor that into your plans. It and WL could arrive at about the same time...assuming the latter stays on the anticipated schedule that Scott expressed in the WL forum area.
 

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I have a Model S. It has a lot of issues compared to my Grand Cherokee which has had none. Drives beautifully, though not as smooth as the GC (my tesla doesn't have the air suspension). You never get sick of the instant torque and autopilot is pretty fun.
 

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Check the Insurance Rates for both, if you can't because they aren't being sold yet, then compare insurance rates of similar models of the same brand.....

What little I know of Telsa's, they have a huge hurdle of supporting vehicles in the field, especially with body work from collisions.... ....there has been much ado about totalled brand new Telsa's being sold at Insurance Auctions with only a dented quarter panel.... ....the expense of repairing the quarter panel was so high they totalled the brand new car... ...which has lead to the speculation and some reports of insurance company's admitting, they are going to have to raise rates on Telsa's.....
 

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Model Y (compact) wouldn't fall into the same SUV class as a JGC (midsize). Think more competitive to Mazda CX-5 or Porche Macan. I would also be extremely wary to new model cars, even more so with a newish car company. Tesla so far has a poor track record for quality and repairability on the first years of their models. Upside is Model Y should be an improvement since it is mainly based on the M3, but as mentioned above, demand will be high and spare parts specific to Y will be nearly impossible to get for years. When I look for another car in 8-10 years I think Tesla will be mature enough.
 

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Model Y (compact) wouldn't fall into the same SUV class as a JGC (midsize). Think more competitive to Mazda CX-5 or Porche Macan. I would also be extremely wary to new model cars, even more so with a newish car company. Tesla so far has a poor track record for quality and repairability on the first years of their models. Upside is Model Y should be an improvement since it is mainly based on the M3, but as mentioned above, demand will be high and spare parts specific to Y will be nearly impossible to get for years. When I look for another car in 8-10 years I think Tesla will be mature enough.
I knew they were expensive to repair but didn't know about the reliability so I checked, see https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2018/10/26/tesla-cars-may-be-the-safest-in-america-but-fail-in-reliability-consumer-reports/#31a0f222416d . OK, all cars have their teething troubles but I suspect things won't get much better and maybe even worse with the existing model Teslas. No one really knows what they'll do with many miles on them.
 

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Thanks for the feedback. Definitely need to review the insurance costs to see if out of line. I have read where the Model 3 is more reliable than the other Tesla models, probably because less complicated frills. The Model Y is projected to be their biggest seller by far and I am sure that will be true. Game plan will be to test drive one when it comes out and if love it will order one after the WL debuts which would give time to see the WL and also for new production bugs to be worked out of the Model Y if that is the decision. The Model Y is based on the Model 3 so they should have most of the issues worked out already. Probably 60%+ chance I go with WL but always look around before committing to purchase...and always have come back to the Grand Cherokee for numerous reasons. One factor is setting up charging station at a condo....very expensive.
 

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In addition to our 2016 WK2 we also own a 2013 Tesla Model S. It is by far the most fun car we've ever owned. You never get tired of the instant torque and the stealth acceleration. It drives beautifully (we have the air suspension) and repairs have been minimal (we had the drive train replaced under warranty - all other repairs were very minor. Our Tesla does not have any of the bells and whistles of today's models but I love driving too much to care about Autopilot and see no need to upgrade at this point in time. I'm pretty sure once you test drive a Model Y you will be hooked.
 

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Are we being trolled by Tesla?
 

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Or Tesla Cybertruck (in matte black of course)??? Bizarre until you dive into the specs and capabilities...
 

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Or Tesla Cybertruck (in matte black of course)??? Bizarre until you dive into the specs and capabilities...
Yea, I have to chuckle at a bunch of my friends who are shouting the "ugly" word loud and often. My comment was that it was just "really different" and over time, it might even look somewhat normal. And yea, the specifications are pretty kewel.
 

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who are shouting the "ugly" word
That was my first impression. But once I looked into what it offers (Elon skipped a lot in his presentation)....the built in storage in the truck bed, the front trunk, the tie down and accessory system in the truck bed, that it can really pull and out run a 911 (the performance version of it can), etc.

My take is this can be a platform for other Tesla's like for an SUV, not just for this one pickup.... Jeep better pay attention as Tesla is showing it can build a very capable vehicle and not just a mall crawler Model X.
 

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With the WL not arriving until calendar year 2021 and the Model Y arriving calendar year 2020, I will be taking a hard look at the Model Y before buying a WL. Seeing it online has me interested. The Model X didn't do it for me especially at that price with the complicated falcon wing rear doors and my parking garage arrangement.

Any WK2 owners out there that also own a Tesla? If so, what are your thoughts on the two?
I had a Model 3 AWD performance and switched to a Model X.
The Model Y is a Model 3 "crossover" as you probably know.

I got the Model X because I wanted towing capability. I have to say it tows better than any Jeep I've had has.
The photo below is about 4000lbs, that is basically wet dirt/sand/rocks in the trailer.
You literally wouldn't even know it was back there, completely effortless. Without even a weight distribution hitch.
The Model X also does better in the snow than any vehicle I've owned. And I used to run Nokian snow tires on my Jeeps (which did extremely well).
The Model 3 AWD was not as good in snow (also with snow tires) as I would have expected/hoped, Model Y will probably be the same.

If you think the Model X is a "Mall Crawler" take one for a test drive. Unbelievable machine. No, I would not take it rock climbing.



You mentioned concerns about your garage with the Model X. That was my big concern too.
The Tesla store let me take the demo Model X home for a day :) so I could show it to co-workers for free word of mouth advertising.
My garage has what's called "low profile" or something like that garage doors.

Here is a Video showing the door open in the garage. You can program the height you want it to open to at each location.
There are dozens of sonar sensors every where (in the doors on the roof etc.), it knows it's surroundings.

 

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That's a really nice ride, MS'...the switch you made to the X makes a lot of sense, too. I'd have to go that way (in general) if I ever made this kind of move.
 

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Thanks mswlogo! Appreciate the info, photo and video!!!
 

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Tesla so far has a poor track record for quality and repairability on the first years of their models.
Insert just about any vehicle manufacturer for "Tesla" in the statement and it holds true... especially so for FCA products.

I only came on the forum today to find out more about yet another recall on my 2013 WK2 and happened to see this posting.

The major systems, electric motors, cooling system - won't be changing between the 3 and Y. The software should be the same as well. The major change announced for the Y is the simplification of the wiring harness. I would predict they will have the same fit and finish difficulties at the beginning as they did on the 3, but the 3s rolling off the lines now are way better in quality than the first ones.

I will take my Model 3 over my WK2 any day that it hasn't snowed a foot. With 300 mile range, I have no worries about charging or finding a place to charge, and I have solar so don't even have to think about the cost of electricity. The only places the WK2 is better is the clearance and the Quadra Drive II system. The Model 3 AWD favors the rear too much and even with snow tires the rears will spin before the car decides to engage the front motor. The car needs a snow mode (there are settings you can do yourself, but it doesn't improve the front/rear distribution). I've driven the same route back to back and the Quadra Drive II is flawless. Good thing is that it is just a matter of software programing so hopefully it will be corrected somewhere on their roadmap. I've had 5 jeeps in 20 years and my current one is likely my last one unless FCA pulls out a miracle and figures out an electric strategy.
 

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Insert just about any vehicle manufacturer for "Tesla" in the statement and it holds true... especially so for FCA products.

I only came on the forum today to find out more about yet another recall on my 2013 WK2 and happened to see this posting.

The major systems, electric motors, cooling system - won't be changing between the 3 and Y. The software should be the same as well. The major change announced for the Y is the simplification of the wiring harness. I would predict they will have the same fit and finish difficulties at the beginning as they did on the 3, but the 3s rolling off the lines now are way better in quality than the first ones.

I will take my Model 3 over my WK2 any day that it hasn't snowed a foot. With 300 mile range, I have no worries about charging or finding a place to charge, and I have solar so don't even have to think about the cost of electricity. The only places the WK2 is better is the clearance and the Quadra Drive II system. The Model 3 AWD favors the rear too much and even with snow tires the rears will spin before the car decides to engage the front motor. The car needs a snow mode (there are settings you can do yourself, but it doesn't improve the front/rear distribution). I've driven the same route back to back and the Quadra Drive II is flawless. Good thing is that it is just a matter of software programing so hopefully it will be corrected somewhere on their roadmap. I've had 5 jeeps in 20 years and my current one is likely my last one unless FCA pulls out a miracle and figures out an electric strategy.
Correct on Model 3 AWD does need a “snow mode” and it could be done in a OTA software. Should have been done already. The Model 3 has a more efficient motor in the rear and tries to use that exclusively as much as it can for efficiency sake. So there is a slight delay for the front to kick in when driving “normally”. If you punch it all 4 wheels will get power immediately or if rears start to slip the front will kick in. But that tiny bit of lag can be felt in slick conditions. The Model X is completely difference and drives like a tank in the snow. Also now a convert of using Performance Snow tires. Wow.

Tesla still needs a fair bit of work on QA. I think part of the problem is they are constantly trying to increase production rates. Same issues reported today as a year ago. My 3 month old X had more issues than last years Model 3. Mostly small stuff. Like door panels not clipped in with a clip that was folded over. Door gasket missing glue for a section. Also had a wind noise issue that I fixed myself. My Model 3 had basically nothing.

I think most issues are handling issues during transportation that they get scuffed up. Sloppy painting under hoods, door hung area etc. Not terrible but people don’t expect to see it.

I know I’ll never buy another ICE despite them being cheaper overall and Tesla the only game in town with QA issues and all. There is just no going back.
 
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