How do you find the Nokian in the hot weather ??Had the earlier version of the Michelin on my 2011 WK2... excellent mileage, quiet, good light snow and rain. Not good for ice or hard packed or wet snow.
Decided on WR G3 SUV for 2015 WK2 based on my use and having WR G2 on our 2012 Subaru. "Checked all the boxes" for me. 16,000 miles and one major winter behind me.
Well, low 90'sF is as hot as we get here in the Great Northeast usually. The tires were fine. I do realize that a tread compound that meets the "mountain/snowflake" symbol is not going to get the long mileage of the Michelin, but I am very pleased with the WR G3 SUV's so far. They are the true all season tire that people think they are getting when running the usual all seasons in the tire ads. Nokian therefore refers to them as "all weather" tires to different and highlight the fact.How do you find the Nokian in the hot weather ??
Should be fine. $100 is 2 gas fillups!I am trying to make a decision on these two tire options as well. I live in Denver, so we get snow, but I got by fine on the stock Fortera's, so I'm not sure a more capable winter tire is necessarily needed.
Michelin is actually offering a $70 rebate right now, so they would actually end up being about $100 less than the Nokians.
Seems like a good all around tire, and the 70k warranty helps. So now I may be slightly leaning towards the Michelin and am willing to give up a little bit of winter ability. I still think the Michelin will handle quite well in snow when needed.
So you're recommending the Nokians eh? Are they just as quiet as the stock Forteras? I like the snow traction ability, but honestly I drive way more on pavement and will regret my decision if they are a bit noisy/annoying on a 2000 mile roadtrip...Should be fine. $100 is 2 gas fillups!
The Nokians are not a noisy tire but will be slightly noisier than the Michelins which are very quiet, i discussed this with Nokian several months ago in emails and they actually referred me to the consumer reports noise ratings on the two tires. But the Nokian will be better on snow if that is your priority. Check the Mopar coupons they have on line, they do have buy 4 get one free deals if you have the tires done at the dealer. I had my dealer work me up a quote on the defenders and it was like $840 with the buy 4 get one free,So you're recommending the Nokians eh? Are they just as quiet as the stock Forteras? I like the snow traction ability, but honestly I drive way more on pavement and will regret my decision if they are a bit noisy/annoying on a 2000 mile roadtrip...
Thanks I will definitely check that out.The Nokians are not a noisy tire but will be slightly noisier than the Michelins which are very quiet, i discussed this with Nokian several months ago in emails and they actually referred me to the consumer reports noise ratings on the two tires. But the Nokian will be better on snow if that is your priority. Check the Mopar coupons they have on line, they do have buy 4 get one free deals if you have the tires done at the dealer. I had my dealer work me up a quote on the defenders and it was like $840 with the buy 4 get one free,
I definitely know what you mean. I always laugh when the roads are iced and I see that idiot in his jacked up pickup blowing through going about 3 times as fast as everyone else. And I always cross my fingers I will see him in the ditch 10 minutes down the road because when he tried to stop he realized absolutely nothing helps you slow down on ice besides a slow speed. Tires and 4 wheel drive help you get going, but they don't do shit for slowing down. Some people are just not smart.I trolled eBay for a few weeks. I found a Jeep/Dodge dealer that was selling new 2015 18" rims with sensors and Michelin rubber for $650 shipped. I quickly jumped all over that. Michelin for Summer on newer rims and Saharas on the original 2011 rims.
Of course if you are running with 20" rims and tires you are pretty limited. A grand may be a very decent price. I was having a hard time finding 18" tires for under $205/tire.
If you drive slow and smart with physics on your side Winter and snow doesn't necessarily mean your all seasons won't work well. Slow to stop and start remembering to keep your distances farther. We live in the Lake Ontario snowmelt. 2 miles from its South shore. It amazes me each year that so many people forget how to drive in snow. The first few storms see almost 10% of the cars knocked out either getting totaled or needing heavy collision repair. I take my time. I once was going about 15 miles an hour on the benches of the Wasatch mountain range in Salt Lake City. Very cold but sunny. Then the sun disappeared behind a cloud and some brutal cold wind blew by. I was in a Land Rover discovery as the road surface went to a sheet of solid ice. The antilock breaks just pulsed doing absolutely nothing. The down grade wasn't that steep, but I had just crossed over the ridge so all momentum going straight down. A full 90 curve was at the bottom. My speed started to increase as I futilely struggled with breaks and trying to downshift. My rover just kept going straight up and over grass and through a rod iron fence into a backyard. I was very upset as I approached the homeowners front door.
They weren't pissed. It happened at least one per Winter over the 6 years they lived there. Finally the HOA granted permission to place large barrier boulders, but no angling the road better. I was ticket doing 15 because of weather conditions. Sadly they were just fine before the sun disappeared and a wind colder than 15F de solved any impact previous salt had made. An expensive mistake. With only a $500/ deductible it was still about $8500 in body work and grill/headlight assembly and right fog lamp.
Slow and careful is the only way to drive in bad Winter areas. I'm sure the Colorado guy knows this all to well. Luckily it's pretty flat here until you get near the Finger Lakes further South. In those hills dedicated snow tires is a must.
I definitely know what you mean. I always laugh when the roads are iced and I see that idiot in his jacked up pickup blowing through going about 3 times as fast as everyone else. And I always cross my fingers I will see him in the ditch 10 minutes down the road because when he tried to stop he realized absolutely nothing helps you slow down on ice besides a slow speed. Tires and 4 wheel drive help you get going, but they don't do shit for slowing down. Some people are just not smart.
Another option is the Toyo Celsius. Similar to the WRG3 with an M+S rating and 60K miles warranty. About $195 a tire for the 20".The Nokians are not a noisy tire but will be slightly noisier than the Michelins which are very quiet, i discussed this with Nokian several months ago in emails and they actually referred me to the consumer reports noise ratings on the two tires. But the Nokian will be better on snow if that is your priority. Check the Mopar coupons they have on line, they do have buy 4 get one free deals if you have the tires done at the dealer. I had my dealer work me up a quote on the defenders and it was like $840 with the buy 4 get one free,