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So you're recommending the Nokians eh? Are they just as quiet as the stock Forteras? I like the snow traction ability, but honestly I drive way more on pavement and will regret my decision if they are a bit noisy/annoying on a 2000 mile roadtrip...
No, they not as quiet as OEM tires as they are designed with a different objective. However the WK2 has enough sound proofing that you will not hear them unless you turn the radio off and try to hear them. My driving is over 90% pavement. I had the Michelin LTX M/S 2's on my 2011 WK2 and they are as quiet as OEM, but not good on hard packed snow or ice. I do, though, feel that the Michelin is a good tire.
The Toyo Celsius is a new tire aimed at the WR G3 market at a lower price. (Snowflake/mountain symbol, 12 month tire.) I look forward to comments as people buy and use them. I asked my high end sports car friend about Toyo tires on Monday and he would not buy a Toyo product based on what he has heard. However, that is only one person's opinion.
 

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I have Michelin in during Warm months because when it rains it comes in microbursts. During Winter I switch wheels because of corrosion to the painted alloys(dumb call for a Jeep in the first place), but these inexpensive Kelly Saharas work great in the snow. Have used them the past 2 Winters in the Lake Ontario snow belt. Changing out wheels today as the first snow of the year while be hear in less than 12 hours.

As long as the all seasons have good tread depth and you drive according to the conditions your WK2 will be just fine.
 

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Another option is the Toyo Celsius. Similar to the WRG3 with an M+S rating and 60K miles warranty. About $195 a tire for the 20".

Thanks for pointing out those Toyos. They look very promising. I'm going to call around and inquire about them. Plus, they have a 500 mile return policy if you're not happy with them.
 

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Thanks for pointing out those Toyos. They look very promising. I'm going to call around and inquire about them. Plus, they have a 500 mile return policy if you're not happy with them.

My son and wife run these on their Volvos. They have 17" wheels and the Toyo were the best tire in value/size and overall performance. Many run these on the Cherokees however not with 18" on WK2. They are a good low profile tire. If you have the Thaler side walls I would stick with Original choices or Continentals.
 

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I just ordered them for my wifes Mazda CX9. She will be the guinea pig. $740 shipped to my installer from Tread Depot. Free shipping and no sales tax. These tires seem very promising after doing my research especially in my neck of the woods. Ill keep everyone posted after mounting. Maybe Ill be next if they stock them for my 20".
 

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Mopar is running a buy 4 get 1 free on tires if anyone is looking to buy. plug your zip code into the link below and it will spit out the coupon. I had my dealer quote me a price on the Defender LTX thinking for one reason or another they were going to tell me I could not use the coupon. Well I was surprised because they did indeed deduct the price of one tire from the total price and even though the coupon says in stock only they had no issues ordering the Defenders. So the dealer ended up being $126 cheaper than the shipped price of tire rack.

Service Coupons for Jeep®, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, FIAT | Mopar®
 

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Thanks for everything guys. I called the dealer and was able to get the Michelin Defender LTX M/S in 265/50/20 for the buy 3 get 1 free special. $885 installed plus tax. In addition, I will be able to submit to Michelin for a the $70 rebate promotion.

So probably about $860 installed after taxes and rebates.

Hell of a value if I do say so myself.
 

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Thanks for everything guys. I called the dealer and was able to get the Michelin Defender LTX M/S in 265/50/20 for the buy 3 get 1 free special. $885 installed plus tax. In addition, I will be able to submit to Michelin for a the $70 rebate promotion.

So probably about $860 installed after taxes and rebates.

Hell of a value if I do say so myself.
Good job you wont do better than that on price anywhere for those tires. So how do you like them smooth at highway speeds no balance issues? How do they compare to what you had?
 

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I just got a set of the Defender LTX's installed as well - thanks to the buy 3 get one for 1$ mention here!

Ended up being about 850$ plus tax for the install from the dealer - not a bad deal considering I believe these qualify for road hazard protection through Mopar. I will report on how they handle the upcoming midwest winter :)
 

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Good job you wont do better than that on price anywhere for those tires. So how do you like them smooth at highway speeds no balance issues? How do they compare to what you had?
First day with the tires and I do notice minor humming when traveling at 70-75mph. I did have the tires aligned as well since my front end was pretty wonky.

Does this go away after the tires break in a bit?
 

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First day with the tires and I do notice minor humming when traveling at 70-75mph. I did have the tires aligned as well since my front end was pretty wonky.

Does this go away after the tires break in a bit?
Those tires are known for being quiet so you should not have much noise from them. give them a few hundred miles to break in and see how it goes. is it noise or vibration? you may be hearing the MDS when it kicks down to 4 cylinder operation sometimes you can notice a very mild rumbling with that.
 

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Those tires are known for being quiet so you should not have much noise from them. give them a few hundred miles to break in and see how it goes. is it noise or vibration? you may be hearing the MDS when it kicks down to 4 cylinder operation sometimes you can notice a very mild rumbling with that.
It is kind of a vibration / hum. Might very well be the MDS - maybe I hear that more because the new tires are actually MORE QUIET than the OEM offers ;). Would I notice the MDS more at faster speeds?

I will keep everyone posted as the miles add up. Other than >70mph speeds so far so good - great handling, smooth and quiet ride.
 

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It is kind of a vibration / hum. Might very well be the MDS - maybe I hear that more because the new tires are actually MORE QUIET than the OEM offers ;). Would I notice the MDS more at faster speeds?

I will keep everyone posted as the miles add up. Other than >70mph speeds so far so good - great handling, smooth and quiet ride.

I was getting ready to take them back to get re-balanced or take advantage of the Michelin swap to the Premier LTX's. I was also thinking it might've been due to them being higher mileage tires and therefore harder compound. Mine vibrated between 55 and 65 off and on. Glad to report after a couple hundred miles everything is fine. I have around 5,500 miles on them now with absolutely no signs of wear and am very happy with them. Just had them in some good rain today. Very confident. Can't wait to see how they handle the snow. I'll report back then.:thumbsup:
 

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It is kind of a vibration / hum. Might very well be the MDS - maybe I hear that more because the new tires are actually MORE QUIET than the OEM offers ;). Would I notice the MDS more at faster speeds?

I will keep everyone posted as the miles add up. Other than >70mph speeds so far so good - great handling, smooth and quiet ride.
that is what I was thinking maybe you just didn't notice it before because its quieter now. mds only comes on under lite throttle so often you notice that mild rumble when your upto speed highway cruising. when you start getting up in the 75 or 80 mph mds is not used as much because it takes heavier throttle to keep the jeep going that fast except down hills of course. MDS has the ability to operate at any speeds above 17 mph if conditions warrant. if its more of a shaking feeling you may have a tire out of balance.
 

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I was getting ready to take them back to get re-balanced or take advantage of the Michelin swap to the Premier LTX's. I was also thinking it might've been due to them being higher mileage tires and therefore harder compound. Mine vibrated between 55 and 65 off and on. Glad to report after a couple hundred miles everything is fine. I have around 5,500 miles on them now with absolutely no signs of wear and am very happy with them. Just had them in some good rain today. Very confident. Can't wait to see how they handle the snow. I'll report back then.:thumbsup:
so being a higher mileage tire and harder compound do you think they soak up the bumps pretty well? so they are a smooth and quiet ride but you don't feel every tiny little joint in the road right? the forterras were rotten tires but they were soft and did soak bumps up well, probably their one and only good point. just curious as these will be my next tire.
 

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I am close to pulling the trigger one one of the above tires. Can you please provide your thoughts on one versus the other. I live in Seattle and travel up to Canada and Snow country a few times every winter.

No this is a tire? check out the Hell Cat wheels on my neighbors beast
 

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My experience with the Michelin tires were that they needed a few hundred miles to break in and get all of the new tire tips worn off. Then they were smooth in the highway. With both the Michelin LTX and the Saharas the Jeep is much more bouncy at low speeds. On the highway the suspension is fine and the tires are warmed so the sidewalls have a bit more give in them to soak up those minor cracks and bumps in the pavement. Plus you are moving over them at more than twice the speed so it just feels like a better ride.

I can say that the Michelins are lighter tires and the Jeep doesn't ride like a tank, where it does with the Kelly Saharas on the original 2011 wheels. Probably about 10 lbs per tire but it really makes a difference when centrifugal force kicks in at lower speeds and highway speeds as well. In bad weather like slush and snow the heavier Sahara and wheel combination feels less jumpy without movement of the steering wheel where the Michelin in Summer in the 2015 wheels did have a little more play at high speeds and in bad stretches of pavement on the highways. I like the heavier tires in Winter but greatly prefer the ease of lane changes and turning on curves in the roads in the warmer weather. It interesting to have both tires to directly compare too. I had them changed the day before our first freeze here. No accumulation of snow here that's lasted more than an hour but they are starting to put some salt down for mornings with black I've as it been raining a lot while hovering around the freezing pint during rainy overcast days. Both tires serve their purposes. I did take out a WK2 with 20" wheels and Forteras and found them to give a rougher ride. So I keep the 18" wheels because than extra amount of sidewall really helps with overall ride and with Winter driving as well.
 

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I was really concerned about this before I bought them. Absolutely not a problem though. I am very happy now that they are broken in. I'd have to say the best tires I've owned so far. They really have transformed the Jeep. Each new driving condition does nothing but build confidence in them. I drive fairly spirited but not foolishly. I have incrementally pushed them a little at a time and am amazed you can make this 4900+ lb handle this well. Very quiet (HUGE improvement) very smooth. As stated the only thing I haven't had them in ice or snow yet.


The Forterras were Ok on bumps, these are MUCH better. These corner MUCH better, wet or dry. Stopping is in a whole other league with these. I will give the Forterras kudos in the snow and ice, I was VERY surprised but I'd bet that had a lot to do with the traction control and snow mode and balance of the Jeep. I did get 40k out of them but I was expecting more miles than that. I rotated them every oil change btw.

I was considering the Pirelli's as that is what the 2016's are suppose to be riding on. I wasn't liking the tread pattern and less tread depth of the Premier LTX's either, thinking they'd be a soft compound and wear too quickly. I read a ton of reviews on Tire Rack, mfg's etc. None of the top tires were really all around great. There really wasn't any on the Defender LTX's though. I bought these based on the reviews but more on my good experience with M/S2's. I'm glad I trusted my gut!:)


I'd definitely recommend them
 

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I was really concerned about this before I bought them. Absolutely not a problem though. I am very happy now that they are broken in. I'd have to say the best tires I've owned so far. They really have transformed the Jeep. Each new driving condition does nothing but build confidence in them. I drive fairly spirited but not foolishly. I have incrementally pushed them a little at a time and am amazed you can make this 4900+ lb handle this well. Very quiet (HUGE improvement) very smooth. As stated the only thing I haven't had them in ice or snow yet.


The Forterras were Ok on bumps, these are MUCH better. These corner MUCH better, wet or dry. Stopping is in a whole other league with these. I will give the Forterras kudos in the snow and ice, I was VERY surprised but I'd bet that had a lot to do with the traction control and snow mode and balance of the Jeep. I did get 40k out of them but I was expecting more miles than that. I rotated them every oil change btw.

I was considering the Pirelli's as that is what the 2016's are suppose to be riding on. I wasn't liking the tread pattern and less tread depth of the Premier LTX's either, thinking they'd be a soft compound and wear too quickly. I read a ton of reviews on Tire Rack, mfg's etc. None of the top tires were really all around great. There really wasn't any on the Defender LTX's though. I bought these based on the reviews but more on my good experience with M/S2's. I'm glad I trusted my gut!:)


I'd definitely recommend them
Glad you are liking them, I'm anxious to hear how they do in the winter. I'm currently on the Michelin Latitude Tour HP 265/50R20 they have been a good tire on road. But I like the Defenders because they have more of chunkier tread that should give a little better mild offroad and hopefully snow use than some of these touring tires in this size. I'm sure the Pirelli they are putting on the 2016s will be a good highway cruiser but I was not that impressed with the tread either didn't look like something id want to take on mild off road or beach. Defender seems to capture a little bit of everything, kind of a tire I see matching up well with the grand Cherokee. was a little disappointed they did not put the defender on as the stock tire for the 2016s but anything is an improvement over the forteras and the Pirellis will be a long needed improvement.
 
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