[jp467]

If the order banks are not open than its useless to give a dealer an order weather they would take it or not.

 

[jp467]

Wrong. Many dealers will take your order, hold it, and place it the day the order bank opens. My wife's car was purchased that way.

What was wrong about my statement? If the order banks are not open than giving the dealer is order is nothing. It just means they will write down what you want and probably take a deposit on something they can't even order yet. I guess I don't understand the logic in that.

 

[jp467]

Do you think he will call you the moment the order bank opens, or will he be too busy placing orders? If I really want a car, I want my order put in first, not last. There will be an allotment, you know.

I don't think it has to be at the moment. I think if you found out the banks were open you could go and order it. I don't think you would really lose anything if it happened to be the next day. I guess everyone has a different take on it but to give them a deposit on something that is not being built yet to me is a waste. The problem is you have no idea how long it will be for the trailhawk that most people want. It could be anything from weeks to months to over a year who knows. I will use the Dart as an example when that was first shown at the Detroit auto show they had an RT with a 2.4 that was supposed to be coming out. That was a year an a half ago and the now GT with 2.4 just went into production. Had someone put an order in for that with a dealer it would have sat there all this time and there still isn't an RT.

 

[jp467]

Please don't let the Trailhawk be the new Dart R/T. That would be so frustrating. That's the trim in the Cherokee that really matters IMO. There's nothing like that in the market currently.

I agree and I hope that's not the case, but it seems they are only building FWD at this time due to some issue with the 4WD that needs to be worked out. I have no idea what it is or how long it will take, but if these other models that needed something worked out are any indication than it could be a while.

 

[jp467]

Dealer cost is always LESS than invoice. Once you exhaust the holdback cost do you get to true dealer cost. $500 over cost is fair if they're referring to $500 over invoice. Highly doubt there will be any initial incentives.

When dealers talk about dealer cost it means invoice. They don't include holdback in that or even like to talk about holdback.

 

[jp467]

You are so naive. My Grandfather owned a Chrysler dealership. My Father owned a Mercedes dealership. My older brother was the parts manager at an Audi dealership. My younger brother was the sales manager at a Cadillac dealership. Dealer cost never means invoice. Invoice means invoice. Dealer cost means invoice plus advertising, plus floor plan interest, plus sales commission, plus anything else. In other words, dealer cost means whatever the dealer wants it to mean. Invoice is a term that always means the same thing. :slapfight:

Ok how about this.... The dealers I have dealt with when talking about dealer cost they were talking about invoice. I am know in some areas they add all that BS to the price, but in my area they do not.